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Re: geneology/j. Wiley/Thurrott

Posted: 29 Sep 2013 1:05AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thurrott
Well, by the calculations in Ancestry.com, I would be your mother's 4th cousin. George Isaac Thurrott is showing up as my 2nd cousin 2x removed, so his granddaughter (your mom) would be my 4th cousin. You'd then be my 4th cousin 1x removed.

As for the correct George Thurrott, what are you looking for in "correct"? I have him as the son of Frederick Thurrott and Elizabeth Ann Smith - this being from the 1911 Canada census. The family is living at Stewiacke, Nova Scotia, and George is present, listed as having been born Jan 1902. Is this the "proof" you were looking for?

Regards,
Laurie

Re: geneology/j. Wiley/Thurrott

Posted: 29 Sep 2013 2:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thurrott
Laurie,

Thanks you so much for your reply. I am fairly new to doing genealogy research and just wanted to be sure that my great grandfather whom I knew as George Thurrott was the same person as George Isaac Thurrott. Since writing my post I have dug in an confirmed more information about George and do believe that George Isaac Thurrott was indeed my great grandfather who was married to my great grandmother Edith C. McPherson. I found George's 1924 U.S.Records of Aliens which listed Frederick as his father and helped me make the connection to the rest of the Thurrott Family Tree. While doing searches online I found your website and the Thurrott family tree and have been tracing it and adding it to my tree. I hope that is ok! Thank you so much for all the work you have done. I am trying to be careful and not to make assumptions in doing this research and your site has been helpful to this effort. It's been interesting to read and learn about those who are in my past. If you have any further information than what is on your website please let me know. Also, do you have a tree posted on ancestry as well? If you need any information for George's descendants I'd be happy to help.

Thanks again,
Blessings,
Sandy Reinhard

Re: geneology/j. Wiley/Thurrott

Posted: 29 Sep 2013 12:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thurrott, Cail
I do have a tree posted on Ancestry as well, but I do keep it private. I'd be happy to give you access if you want to give me your Ancestry user name or send me a private e-mail. And I'd love to fill in George's descendant into my tree.

I do have some more recent information and need to update my family tree online. As you probably gleaned from the notes on the site, George's father Frederick was illegitimate. I have been talking further with Robert Spencer, a great-grandson of Frederick, and he advises that he can confirm Frederick's father as Thomas Cail, as told to him by Babe Walker, a niece of Frederick, and it was Frederick's mother, Janet Thurrott, who told her. So, that story pretty much resolved. One other way to absolutely confirm, is if you have a Thurrott male in your family who would be willing to do a yDNA test. Since that test confirms a son of a son of a son solely through the male line, if the results came back as matching Cail's, you would know for sure.

On the Thurrott side, Robert has been working very diligently to prove the earlier lines, and I think he's come up with some interesting info. While still not 100% since there are gaps proving the first wife of John Thurrott who came over from Scotland, it would certainly seem that John is a descendant of Francois Thurot, a famous Manx smuggler. One his starting points, was that Babe Walker has also told him that there was some association with the Thurrotts and Castle Douglas in Scotland. I hope Robert doesn't mind me sharing this...but here are some of his research notes:

John Thurot b. 1755 Kirkbean, was raised at Castle Douglas, Dumfries. At the time of the death and burial of Francois Thurot, Lord Maxwell who presided over Francois Thurot's funeral, buried him with full honours in the churchyard of Kirkmaiden, at the expense of the local lord, Sir William Maxwell, who also served as chief mourner. He directed that his servant travel to Castle Douglas to deliver the watch of Francois Thurot to his son and heir. Lord Maxwell, later continued to assist the same John Thurot. In fact, the son of Lord Maxwell, Mungo Maxwell, having taken up the trade of carpenter and who was a good friend of John Thurot, served on the same ship going to Tobago with John Thurot under the command of none other than John Paul Jones, who was acquainted with John Thurot as they were both born at Kirkbean. During this voyage , the Carpenter Mungo Maxwell was cruelly flogged, upon returning to Scotland, young Thurot, only 15 at the time, told the story to Lord Maxwell, who had John Paul Jones arrested and tried in court. John Thurot testified at court.

Sources:
1) http://www.inn-california.com/articles/biographic/johnpauljo... - just one of many proving story of Tobago voyage and flogging and court case.
2) http://www.scan.org.uk/researchrtools/courtrecords.htm - proves John Thurot testified at court against John Paul Jones
3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Thurot - proves Lord William Maxwell presided over funeral and proof of a mistress of Francois on board his ship. Other sources state same that in fact British soldiers were ordered to escort the mistress back to Castle Douglas after the battle.
4) extract : The Kirkbean cemetery is the burial place of Jean Thurot (1755–1833), son of the famous Francois Thurot, French Naval Commodore and Privateer.
5) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkbean - proof John Thurot would have known young John Paul - Jones, and the later association on board the ship going to Tobago.

Re: geneology/j. Wiley/Thurrott

Posted: 2 Oct 2013 12:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thurrott/Cail
Hi Laurie,

Thanks so much for the abundant information you sent about the Thurrott family. Thanks to Robert Spencer for all the work he has done as well. The history involved is fascinating. My Ancestry member profile is SandyR64. I assume that you will keep all the Living people private as you do on your other tree. I am not sure how to send you my email address without posting it here. When I do I will send a private email.

I am still new to this and may not be documenting my tree as well as I could be. I plan to go back over it and verify and document it better. I've been listening to Christa Cowan's web presentations and they have helped.

Again, I want to thank you for all the work you've put into your family tree line and for sharing that information that is so well documented. I have linked your tree to each person that I've added from your information.

Blessings,
Sandy Reinhard

Re: geneology/j. Wiley/Thurrott

Posted: 12 Dec 2014 5:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,

Thomas Cail is not Frederick's father, we are researching this as well.

It was shown in a recent DNA test, that he is not his father.

Tim

Re: geneology/j. Wiley/Thurrott

Posted: 12 Dec 2014 5:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thurrott
Hi Tim, I had heard the same. I had recent e-mail correspondence with someone who confirmed the DNA test results. Where did you have that tested? Was it a yDNA test and if yes, do the matches indicate the common ancestral surname?

Re: geneology/j. Wiley/Thurrott

Posted: 14 Dec 2014 5:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Dec 2014 1:28AM GMT
Surnames: Thurrott,Cail
There has been information posted on message boards that Thomas William Cail born 1816 was the alleged father of Frederick Thurrott who was born out of wedlock in 1866,in Kent County New Brunswick ,Canada there is no documented proof to my knowledge that these statements are true, Frederick Thurrott's paternal grandson Wayne L. Thurrott has done (a 37 Y-DNA Test) as well as ( AUTOSOMAL DNA TESTS).There was only 1 male Cail surname to compare Y- DNA there was not a match. In comparing ( AUTOSOMAL DNA ) with 10 different Thomas William Cail descendants one of the descendants 3rd grandmother was the sister of Thomas Cail all of the descendants showed no shared Dna with Frederick's Dna .Frederick's paternal origins are Northwest Ireland (Ulster) according to his dna markers, some matches are with surnames O'Kane Mckeen Keane, Cain, McCain and other variant spellings,also a connection with the surname Malloy.Thomas William Cail paternal origins are supposedly (English,)Frederick's paternal origins are definitely ( Northwest Irish) ,(ULSTER) , the ethnicities of Thomas Cail and Frederick Thurrott don't match, this should resolve any doubts one may have, and that Thomas William Cail ( WAS NOT) the father of Frederick Thurrott. Regards Valerie
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