Re: Thackeray Malton area North Yorkshire 1750 +
My great great grandfather was Thomas Thackray who was born in Malton (according to the censues) around 1841. His father on his marriage certificate is stated as Francis. Are there any links there? I have however been unable to trace them on the census for that areas............
Chris Thackray
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Re: Thackeray Malton area North Yorkshire 1750 +
Hi Chris It's entirely likely, indeed probable that there is a family conection but I will need some more info to help me find him. What was Thomas's wifes name - Christian and maiden name, where did she come from and where was the marriage held. All this should be on the marriage cert, I assume you have a copy of this. I have found 1 possiblity, a Thomas T married to Valetta Broomhead and his eldest son was called Francis - do you think this is the one ? If it is they were living at 159, Woodside Lane, Brightside Bierlow in 1881. I'm having trouble finding any more about them but will continue searching. Let me know what you think Fiona Duncan
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I am presuming your Thomas is found with Wife Velletia Thackrah in Brightside Bierlow with children Frank and Ann in the in the 1871 census, 1881 census children Francis, Ada and Valletia, and the 1891 census, with one more child Joseph. So he has a child named after his father Francis. My Family is much older than this but maybe Francis is a possibility. I have a Francis born 1821 Appleton Le Street his parents were Joseph Thackerra and Mary, Joseph was born 1769 in Huttons Ambo son of a Francis and Mary Elmer of Huttons Ambo. so this is a possibility. I have little on him. Joseph and Mary had three boys I have found, the said Francis then William and Robert. William died 1887 and Robert died 1825. Let me look around....... Julia
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Yes, I do have the marriage certificate - Thomas & Valetta (or Valetia) were married in Hartington, then moved to Sheffield at the address you mentioned. My great-grandfather Francis was their son.
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Yes you are correct - their son Francis was my great grandfather. Thomas's father was listed as Francis, but I have never found any record of them in Malton, before Thomas married in Hartington and moved to Sheffield. Yet in every census Thomas claims he was born in Malton - and there certainly seem to be many Thackrays in that neck of the wood.
Regards
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Well I think you might be one of ours, Francis thackery senior had his children in Huttons Ambo and it might be 5 miles from Malton. For \francis Jr to move and have children in Malton is not a great leap. So from here, we need to find a connection between Thoma father Francis Jr and his parents. Research in the area of who Thomas father Francis married....... julia
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The first I found of Thomas Thackray was the 1865 marriage, then the census records with them in Sheffield. I have never found either a census record of him or Francis the father for Malton (for 1841, 51 or 61), nor a parish register for Thomas Thackray's birth.
However the dates could fit - Francis born in Appleton-le-street in 1821 - with son Thomas about 1841/2.
Regards Chris
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Re: Thackeray Malton area North Yorkshire 1750 +
Hi
Is the John Thackray Senior you are talking about the one who married Mary Dawson in Salton in 1813. Because when I was at the Borthwick institute the other day with a bit of time to spare I thought Id have a look at the bishops transcripts for Huttons Ambo, and the John Thackray and Mary living there seem to be a different John Thackray and Mary living around Salton. Also John Thackray who married Mary Dawson is buried at Pannal St Roberts in 1842 Aged 38. Which is a few years off 1785. I know the ages on tombstones from this period are sometimes guesses but still, it's enough to raise some suspicions.
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In Huttons Ambo, NYR, the family of Francis Thackrey and Mary Elmer married Dec 4 1764 They begat Francis 1765, John 1766, William 1767, Joseph 1769, Mary 1773, Jeremiah 1776, Francis 1780, Harriet 1782, John 1785, Margaret 1787, and Martha 1789.
I have NO idea who John above born 1785 married but he was age 28 in 1813. THere were no Thackerays in Huttons Ambo that I found so that John that married Mary Dawson might well be in my family as there were other than my Joseph , three other brothers that could sire, namely Francis, and William, (but Jeremiah, I know who his line is). So you say a John and Mary Dawson got married in HA in 1813... or somehow you found them LIVING there in 1813..... what is that story. thanks Julia
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Re: Thackeray Malton area North Yorkshire 1750 +
A John Thackray married Mary Dawson in Salton in 1813. It seems to be the generally accepted view that, his parents were Francis Thackray and Mary Elmer and this John was born in HA in 1785. That could well be the case, but I just noticed that his age on his tombstone and some other things I've already mentioned, dont fit in with John being born in 1785.
There is a John Thackray and Mary living in HA circa the 1820s. But I'm wondering if that's a different John Thackray to the one who was living in Salton about the same time.
From some rough notes I took of the entries from the HA Bishop transcripts.
1824 Ann daughter of John Thackray a Waterman and Mary his wife baptized. 1827 James son daughter of John Thackray a Waterman and Mary his wife baptized. 1831 John son daughter of John Thackray a Waterman and Mary his wife baptized. 1831 John son daughter of John Thackray a Waterman and Mary his wife buried.
But then if you look at whats in the Salton Parish Registers (from GENUKI)
1817 Rachel and Ruth daughter of John Thackray a wright and Mary 1819 Leah daughter of John Thackray a wright and Mary 1823 Ann daughter of John Thackray a labourer and Mary 1826 John son of John Thackray a joiner and Mary 1828 Hannah daughter of John Thackray a labourer and Mary 1833 Sarah daughter of John Thackray a labourer and Mary
I get the impression that these are different John and Marys. The John Thackray who was living in Salton was the one who married Mary Dawson and who is buried in the Pannal grave yard, and the John Thackray who was living in HA married another Mary and is buried somewhere.
I might be wrong about all this, as dates on tombstones and in parish registers are frequently wrong. So I'm not saying definetly that John Thackray who married Mary Dawson wasnt the son of Francis Thackray and Mary Elmer I'm saying it doesn't quite make sense, is possibly wrong.
I've also attached an image of the tombstone of John Thackwray and Mary Dawson.
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