I am seeking information on John and Frank Gengler [brothers] who immigrated from Luxembourg arriving in Port Washington in 1846 on the ship Talleyrand. They resided in Belgium from 1846 to ?? They are not listed in the 1855 Census of Belgium. Does anyone know where they migrated to and if the were related to Adam and Catherine [Kaber] Gengler who also arrived in 1846.

[Ozaukee County

John Gengler was my great great grandfather. I think his middle name was Francis and his father's name was Franz. Franz died in Port Washington in 1853. John had a daughter, Margaret, my great grandmother.

[Ozaukee County]

My records show that Franz died 11/5/1853. My great grandmother is Margaret Gengler who lived from 1845 to 1942 in Port Washington.

Richard Duprel has an extensive file on a John Gengler who was born about 1848 in Port Washington but I have not been able to contact him as yet.

Jim

[Ozuakee County]

Jim, John and Franz GENGLER arrived in Port Washington in 1846 on the brig Talleyrand. My grandfather, Adam, arrived in Aug of 1846 along with his wife, Catherine and eight children. Records show he and John bought their land on the same day. Adam was born in Everlange or Victen. Is there a chance that they were brothers or cousins? Cindy

[Ozaukee County

I have a John Gengler (23 Apr 1834 - 20 Jul 1911, son of Adam Gengler & Katherine Kaber. Born in Everlange, Luxembourg. Buried St. Catherine Cemetery Granville, WI. Married Barbara Ellenbecker 28 Apr 1857 in Ozaukee County in St. Mary's Church, Port Washington, Ozaukee County

Hello Bob, Johann is my gr-gr-grandfather. Please email me. Cindy

[Ozaukee County

Jean Gengler sold the land to Peter Canoes/Knaus on June 23rd, so it looks like both deals were recorded at the same time, i.e., June 24, 1847. I have the 1873 plat map and I don't see Genglers, and you didn't find them on the 1855 census. Did they just own the land as patentee land owners and then get out quick at a profit? Did they maybe live in Port Washington? Go to Minnesota, Iowa or SD like so many other Luxies?

I just found Jean Gengler also owning land in Section 17 T12, R22E--same area, another 80 acres--that would be going west, out of the village of Belgium on Hwy D. In 1873, those lands were owned by: Pierron, Bernard, Oswald.

I also found John Gengler listed as owning 61.55 acres in section 36 which is a southeastern lake shore section, bordering the Town of Port Washington. All it says in the old transcription records is: "Lot 1"--HOWEVER! His brother, Franz Hengel owned 80 acres, the east 1/2 of the NW1/4 of section 36--this was later owned by Croatts, Mays and our Schanen family, too.

I wonder if Jean Gengler is John Gengler? I would think so, but...

Regards, Melissa

[Ozaukee County

Hi, Cindy: I don't know if I can help you directly, but your Genglers (Jean/John) and his wife, Margretta, are listed in my great great grandfather's land deed. This would be the land directly across from the side or parking lot of St. Mary's Catholic Church in Lake Church, Town of Belgium, WI, i.e., the land fronts Highway D, right at the crossroads of Hwy D and Lake Church Road in the heart of Lake Church. The business built on that land is still open yet today.
John Gengler first bought the land on May 3, 1847. It was the West half of the South West Quarter of Section 13, Town 12, Range 22 east. This was recorded June 24, 1847 and was located in Vol. C. of Ozaukee County Deeds, page 144. Then, on June 2e, 1847, John probably turned a fast profit and sold the land to Peter Canoes (spelling of Peter's name changed later on to Knaus). This is in the same volume on page 145. I could send you a picture of the buildings that were put on this land. In 1893, my great great grandfather, Jacob SCHANEN bought the business on this land. It stayed in our family until almost 1964. There were many owners of this property after Genglers: John Longly, Paul Ronk, William Wiltgen, Nic Ronk, Peter Delles, J. Lauermann and Mike Bink, J. B. Krier, etc., before our family owned it.
Best wishes, Melissa

LOL! One of these days I'll stop being dyslexic regarding Hengels and Genglers. If you look at the prior post, I tried to say Franz Hengel was John Gengler's brother. Skip those sentences. The two men DID have land next to each other, just as I wrote, but I musta been so exited to see Gengler's name, that I just equated Hengel with Gengler...you know how that goes when ya spend too many hours per day doing genealogy. ~¿o

[Ozaukee County

I think Franz Hengel is not Franz Gengler because Hengel bought his land in Ozaukee county after Gengler died in 1853. Sounds like you are getting a lot of great info though. I plan on being in PW at the Historical Soc. Tuesday so maybe I can shed some light on the question then.

Hi, Jim: say, I don't want to mislead anyone. There WERE Hengels here, too. It's just that when I was looking at the plat map during my 15th hour straight of doing genealogy, I just started "blending" the two names--for some reason, every time I read these two names, I get goofy over them. In fact, John Gengler had land next to Franz Hengel. If you check WI land records, you'll find that both of these names were here as patentee land owners. Hey, on another note, are you of the Port Washington BECKS?
I went to school with JoAnne Beck and my Mom always said we were distant cousins or something. Best wishes, Melissa

[Ozaukee County

Thanks much for the info. Franz Gengler of Ozaukee county who was John's brother is likely Franz Hengel who you have listed as owning land. I can see how the notoriously poor old handwriting could be misinterpreted. There were several John Genglers in the area at that time, one, of which, was Franz Gengler's son, my great grand uncle. Jean Gengler is most definitely John Gengler; I have seen the names used interchangeably several times. Franz was a grocer and died in 1853.

You will find John GENGLER listed in: The History of Washington and Ozaukee Counties, 1881, by Western Historical Co., Chicago, pub. John is listed on pages: 481, 492, 517. Your library can obtain this book via the Library of Congress: LC Control Number 15001335; LC classification/call number: F587.W19 H6.

Hi: you are absolutely correct. Hengel does not equal Gengler---that's what I've been trying to tell people. I made a simple relational mistake when I was tired, i.e., that John Gengler had 61.55 acries right next door to his "brother" Franz Hengel's land--LOL!! However, it is not accurate to say that Gengler was here before Franz Hengel came here. Hengel was here much earlier than 1853--in fact, he was a patentee landowner in Town 12, Range 22E, Section 36 on May 13, 1847----that's just one day after John Gengler got patentee land right next door to him in the same section of the same township. (This is what I meant in an earlier post when I said that the statements I made were correct, it's just that the two men weren't brothers--when I'm zoned-out from too much local genealogy, I sometimes equate Hengel with Gengler--I think it's because I had an interest in both names because both were here relatively early, becoming patentee landowners). I have a copy of the entire Ozaukee County, old, hand-scripted government document of all initial landowners in Ozaukee County. I'm not sure, but perhaps you were tracking these families actual residences in Port Washington, and not their land purchases elsewhere in the county? Best wishes, Melissa

Cynthia,

Below there is an addition to the information which I may have already sent you. I am VERY interested in exchanging information with you on the DIDERICH line!!!

GENGLER:
MICHELS, LINGER, LENGER, HAUSMANN, THELEN, HETEBRUEG,
OLLINGER, FISCHER, DIDERICH

I have just found out that some of my collateral lines are related to the GENGLER's.
There were three GENGLER's who signed my great grandfather's (Dr. Joseph
LINGER) funeral book back in 1941.

Dr. Joseph LINGER's father was Dr. Christian LINGER--who had changed his
name from LENGER to LINGER at some point in time. A sister of Christian
LINGER/LENGER was Margaret LENGER who married a DIDERICH!!!

Yesterday, I was able to get up to the Washington County Courthouse in West
Bend, Wisconsin. It appears that the Gengler's may have settled in that County in or
around the Town of Trenton.

Other related names may include: MICHELS, LINGER, LENGER,
HAUSMANN, THELEN, HETEBRUEG, OLLINGER, and FISCHER.

I am also very interested in any families who settled/lived in an area of Milwaukee
County known as GRANVILLE and ENGELSBERG. Some attended a a mission
church (St. Martin's) on what is now Appleton Ave..the church is no longer in
existence, but the cemetery is still there. I am told that the church records are in the
keeping of St. Agnes Church in Butler...originally it was a mission extension of St.
Anthony's in Fussville, Waukesha County.

I would be interested in exchanging information with you, however, I will be
relocating shortly after Christmas (Dec 26th 2001-January 7th 2002). My address
after that time will be:
snokes@tscnet.com

snail mail:
Susan
27532 State Hwy 3 NE
Poulsbo, WA 98370

I look forward to hearing from you (or anyone other researchers possibly related to
this line) who may read this in the future.

Jim,

I have added a new paragraph of information below...

GENGLER:
MICHELS, LINGER, LENGER, HAUSMANN, THELEN, HETEBRUEG, OLLINGER, FISCHER, DIDERICH

I have just found out that some of my collateral lines are related to the GENGLER's. There were three GENGLER's who
signed my great grandfather's (Dr. Joseph LINGER) funeral book back in 1941.

Dr. Joseph LINGER's father was Dr. Christian LINGER--who had changed his name from LENGER to LINGER at some
point in time. A sister of Christian LINGER/LENGER was Margaret LENGER who married a DIDERICH

Yesterday, I was able to get up to the Washington County Courthouse in West Bend, Wisconsin. It appears that the Gengler's
may have settled in that County in or around the Town of Trenton.

Other related names may include: MICHELS, LINGER, LENGER, HAUSMANN, THELEN, HETEBRUEG, OLLINGER,
FISCHER and DIDERICH.

I am also very interested in any families who settled/lived in an area of Milwaukee County known as GRANVILLE and
ENGELSBERG. Some attended a a mission church (St. Martin's) on what is now Appleton Ave..the church is no longer in
existence, but the cemetery is still there. I am told that the church records are in the keeping of St. Agnes Church in
Butler...originally it was a mission extension of St. Anthony's in Fussville, Waukesha County.

I would be interested in exchanging information with you, however, I will be relocating shortly after Christmas (Dec 26th
2001-January 7th 2002). My address after that time will be:
snokes@tscnet.com

snail mail:
Susan
27532 State Hwy 3 NE
Poulsbo, WA 98370

I look forward to hearing from you (or anyone other researchers possibly related to this line) who may read this in the future.

GENGLER:
MICHELS, LINGER, LENGER, HAUSMANN, THELEN, HETEBRUEG, OLLINGER, FISCHER, DIDERICH

I have just found out that some of my collateral lines are related to the GENGLER's. There were three GENGLER's who
signed my great grandfather's (Dr. Joseph LINGER) funeral book back in 1941.

Dr. Joseph LINGER's father was Dr. Christian LINGER--who had changed his name from LENGER to LINGER at some
point in time. A sister of Christian LINGER/LENGER was Margaret LENGER who married a DIDERICH

Yesterday, I was able to get up to the Washington County Courthouse in West Bend, Wisconsin. It appears that the Gengler's
may have settled in that County in or around the Town of Trenton.

Other related names may include: MICHELS, LINGER, LENGER, HAUSMANN, THELEN, HETEBRUEG, OLLINGER,
FISCHER and DIDERICH.

I am also very interested in any families who settled/lived in an area of Milwaukee County known as GRANVILLE and
ENGELSBERG. Some attended a a mission church (St. Martin's) on what is now Appleton Ave..the church is no longer in
existence, but the cemetery is still there. I am told that the church records are in the keeping of St. Agnes Church in
Butler...originally it was a mission extension of St. Anthony's in Fussville, Waukesha County.

I would be interested in exchanging information with you, however, I will be relocating shortly after Christmas (Dec 26th
2001-January 7th 2002). My address after that time will be:
snokes@tscnet.com

snail mail:
Susan
27532 State Hwy 3 NE
Poulsbo, WA 98370

I look forward to hearing from you (or anyone other researchers possibly related to this line) who may read this in the future.

Melissa,

I wondered if you recognized any of the following names???

GENGLER:
MICHELS, LINGER, LENGER, HAUSMANN, THELEN, HETEBRUEG, OLLINGER, FISCHER, DIDERICH

I have just found out that some of my collateral lines are related to the GENGLER's. There were three GENGLER's who
signed my great grandfather's (Dr. Joseph LINGER) funeral book back in 1941.

Dr. Joseph LINGER's father was Dr. Christian LINGER--who had changed his name from LENGER to LINGER at some
point in time. A sister of Christian LINGER/LENGER was Margaret LENGER who married a DIDERICH

Yesterday, I was able to get up to the Washington County Courthouse in West Bend, Wisconsin. It appears that the Gengler's
may have settled in that County in or around the Town of Trenton.

Other related names may include: MICHELS, LINGER, LENGER, HAUSMANN, THELEN, HETEBRUEG, OLLINGER,
FISCHER and DIDERICH.

I am also very interested in any families who settled/lived in an area of Milwaukee County known as GRANVILLE and
ENGELSBERG. Some attended a a mission church (St. Martin's) on what is now Appleton Ave..the church is no longer in
existence, but the cemetery is still there. I am told that the church records are in the keeping of St. Agnes Church in
Butler...originally it was a mission extension of St. Anthony's in Fussville, Waukesha County.

I would be interested in exchanging information with you, however, I will be relocating shortly after Christmas (Dec 26th
2001-January 7th 2002). My address after that time will be:
snokes@tscnet.com

snail mail:
Susan
27532 State Hwy 3 NE
Poulsbo, WA 98370

I look forward to hearing from you (or anyone other researchers possibly related to this line) who may read this in the future.