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Re: Margaret Phagan

Posted: 30 Jan 2002 4:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: PHAGAN
To Amber Phagan:
If you are still keeping track of these messages on this site, please take these facts into consideration.
There was a black & white movie made regarding the murder of Mary Phagan, the accused, trial, and finally the unveiling of the real murderer.
The preface that we all had to read and listen to a narrator in the background clearly stated:
Mary Phagan was an only child; that her parents had her late in life after consoling themselves that they would have a childless marriage; & therefore, when this child was killed that this Phagan line came to an end!!
Now!! It was never clearly defined whether or not the comment..."this Phagan line came to an end"...was solely referring to the Mary Phagan & her parents' line only----which would mean that her father had other siblings----OR if her father had been the only direct Phagan descendant of his line of Phagan & with no body to pass the Phagan name on that it was therefore..."the end of the Phagan line"....
My line of FAGANs traces the ancestors to at least 2 brothers that came into the U S per the Carolinas--before it was divided into N & S and TN & GA also benefitting from the break up.
The two brothers decided that one would leave the spelling FAGAN & that the other one would start spelling the name PHagan. They were quite naive to facts that others might also already have that name, etc...
Their reasoning was so that if their descendants got scattered out/separated from the main clan, that future generations would be able to recognize each other by the spellings....DUH!!
Numerous times when I was growing up, I would listen to conversations about the two lines & what happened to the PH line. It was told (& my research has proved some of this to be true) that some of the PH clan decided to alter the PH spelling...
1) Reasoning that if the real name was Fagan why shouldn't theirs be Pagan...
2) Some, after 1 or 2 generations of people arguing with them what the spelling should be, came to the conclusion that they would return their family to spelling the name Fagan---that after all that is what it had been for many generations...
3) Others felt duty-bound to abide by the decisions made by the original American family Patriarch(s) and left it PHagan.
4) In the mean time, a variety of people took it upon themselves to create public/legal records, etc., that spelled the name as it sounded like people were pronouncing it rather than how Bible records, etc said it should be spelled...thereby creating great difficulty following these lines---considering a lot of them had veeerry heavy Irish brogues that did not pronounce certain letters as we English speaking people today pronounce them.
I have found Census records in GA & AL where FAGAN was spelled like the Fagan person giving the data had pronounced the word FAGAN...They were enumerated that year as Yeagin; other times the Y was replaced with the F--sometime as Feagin, sometimes as Fagin, and other times with the i actually replaced with the a as in Feagan, Fagan----Other dimension alson spelled it with an S on the end as in the Fagans tole me these are their children....But leading people to believe that the word was not a plural but the actual spelling of the name.
In later years, don't be a child that was given a name of nothing but initials!!!! Oh, my!!! Because when they went into the military some were told to pick a name for the initials to stand for; others, the military dictated the name for the initals...once again, confusing genealogy research records...

Bretta Harte
spypuppy007@yahoo.com

Re: The Phagan Confusion

Posted: 30 Jan 2002 5:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: PHAGAN, Margaret
Frequently census enumerators and various other keepers of public/legal documents spelled names to match the way the person was pronouncing the name...
There are records in AL that clearly tell there was a Seagan---aka Feagan, Feagin, Fagin, Fagan---that married a Margaret (widow) from GA.
I have no proof, at present, that this is the same Margaret Phagan you are all looking for.

Bretta Harte
spypuppy007@yahoo.com

Re: Mary Phagan

Posted: 30 Jan 2002 5:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: PHAGAN, Margaret & Mary
Perhaps this Margaret was born about 1900--based upon the husband's age...
HOWEVER!!! Frequently, in those days the man was often much older than the woman. Also, one of several methods genealogist come up with estimated birthdates is to know that girls were often of legal age to marry or the marriage records would indicate who came forward and gave permission for the marriage license of record to be issued. Armed with this type of data and knowing the usual legal age for a woman to marry without parental consent was 21-----frequently genealogist will assign an ESTIMATED DOB by taking the marriage date and subtracting 21 from it. In this case, it is quite possible that this Margaret was born ABOUT 1909.
Bretta Harte
spypuppy007@yahoo.com

Re: Atlanta Phagans

Posted: 30 Jan 2002 5:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: PHAGAN, Seagan, Feagan, Fagan
Sir:
I am Bretta Harte. I have worked closely with Anni on some of this research. Anni has be victim of several tiny strokes during the last year as well as a fire destroying a lot of our valuable papers...
I am in the process now of trying to recreate what I can as well as relocating and reordering a lot of the records to prove the research.
GEDCOM?? Not available at the present...Hopefully before this year is over with it will be recreated... a lot of the original GEDCOM was solely on the computer that was destroyed in the fire. Unfortunately, it would have done no good to have had a backup disc unless it had been stored at another address....LOL
If you like, you can resend any e-mailed data you sent Anni and I will add that to the files as reference material to go along with recreating our research...

Bretta Harte
spypuppy007@yahoo.com

fagan/phRe: The Phagan Confusion

Posted: 23 Jul 2002 10:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
fagan/phagan, want to exchange info, harriette fagan timmerman

Re: fagan/phRe: The Phagan Confusion

Posted: 3 Aug 2002 9:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
need info on philip and mose.s phagan, fagans, f.agan, pendelton dist., s c

Re: The Phagan Confusion

Posted: 3 Aug 2002 9:15AM GMT
Classification: Query
please help, phagans of pendleton dist..................., s c harriet.te f.......agan t.immerman, AAWC5@aol

Re: MARY PHAGAN Killed as a child in Atlanta, GA Area

Posted: 6 Oct 2002 7:51AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 May 2003 7:52AM GMT
bretta, I can't remember if i have contacted you or not. I read your message sometme last year but was extrememly involved in trying to wrap up some ancestry for my grandson as a Christmas gift. Now i am trying to fill insome missint gaps.
i have some histoy or phillip phagan b. about 1730, unk. married martha newman, feb 20, 1763, Augusta, Va.
children,
Moses, b. about 1765/6
martha, married tillman
philip, jr. married jane gilham
rebecca married milford
second marriage, to ann bozeman about 1782/3/
children
lydia
margaret married nowlin.
would you like to exchange info?
please contact me direct at aawc5@aol.com
thanks, harriette fagan timmerman

Re: Margaret Phagan

Posted: 6 Oct 2002 8:02AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 May 2003 7:52AM GMT
amber, I can't remember if I have exchanged e-mails with you or not. I am researching my ancestors, first known ancestor was Phillip Phagan who married Martha Newman and second wife, Ann Bozeman in the pendleton Dist. of S C.
children by Martha were
Moses
Martha married tillman
Philip who married Jane Gilham
Rebecca who married milford
children by ann were
Lydia
Margaret who married Peyton Wade Nowlin
please contact me direct at aawc5@aolcom thank you so very much, Harriette Fagan Timmerman

Re: Margaret Phagan

Posted: 6 Oct 2002 8:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 May 2003 7:52AM GMT
amber, I can't remember if I have exchanged e-mails with you or not. I am researching my ancestors, first known ancestor was Phillip Phagan who married Martha Newman and second wife, Ann Bozeman in the pendleton Dist. of S C.
children by Martha were
Moses
Martha married tillman
Philip who married Jane Gilham
Rebecca who married milford
children by ann were
Lydia
Margaret who married Peyton Wade Nowlin
please contact me direct at aawc5@aolcom thank you so very much, Harriette Fagan Timmerman
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