HI KEN,THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT. i HAVN'T HAD ANYTHING FOR AGES!! IF YOU ARE BACK TO 1568 YOU ARE BETTER THAN ME.I'VE COME TO A DEAD STOP IN THE LATE 178O'S OR AROUND THEN. YOUR REFERENCE TO CASTLE DONINGTON LEICESTERSHIRE IS NOT THE DONNINGTON IN lINCOLSHIRE AND THE SPELLING OF YOUR HIGGINBOTHAM IS OF COURSE QUITE DIFFERENT . THEY COULD BE FROM THE SAME ROOT LINE BECAUSE THEY SPELT THEIR NAMES ANYWAY THEY WANTED AND THEY COULD HAVE BEEN POORLY EDUCATED AND MAYBE COULDN'T WRITE ANYWAY and couldn't spell either.so I don,t think I'm of any help to you. But many thanks for trying. Good Luck Brian Hicks