Sorry Jim , but you remember what you want, I know how cuel there were and my father had the scars to prove it , he was a very Gentle Man a very Quet man and I had the similar stories from his older brothers , but am afraid all dead now , , they were often taken to different Ports as part of the so called Education. , may be girls were treated different. I know who I believe my father was not of a romancing person and really did not like to talk much about it what I learnt was dragged out of him and his brothers , but now is the time to draw a line under this as I know who I believe , and you believe what you want to believe