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Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 17 Apr 2012 10:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Welch, Isenhurd, Eisenhart
I am looking for information on my great-grandfather Philip Welch. He was born around 1861 in Indiana, married in 1873 to a Marge Isenhurd or Eisenhart, had a son Henry Benjamin in about 1885 or 1886, my grandfather. All I get is a marriage notice that states his parents were from Ireland. Nothing else comes up and I do mean nothing. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 18 Apr 2012 1:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Have you found your grandfather Henry in the 1900 census? Was he born in Indiana?

Re: Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 18 Apr 2012 2:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Apr 2012 2:11AM GMT
At www.familysearch.org there is this marriage:

Groom's Name:Lawrence P. Welsch
Groom's Birth Date:1872
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:32
Bride's Name:Lydia Tumboon
Bride's Birth Date:1876
Bride's Birthplace:Nebraska
Bride's Age:28
Marriage Date:17 Oct 1904
Marriage Place:Marion, Indiana
Groom's Father's Name:Phillip Welsch
Groom's Mother's Name:Egenhut
Bride's Father's Name:Iamis Hannan
Bride's Mother's Name:Harlin
Groom's Race:White
Groom's Marital Status:Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:White
Bride's Marital Status:Widowed
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:M02018-3
System Origin:Indiana-EASy
Source Film Number:413542
Reference Number:pg 215 rn 104

It appears that Lawrence may be a brother to your Henry Benjamin. Lawrence appears in Mercer County Ohio in 1900 and in Indianapolis in 1910 and 1920, with his name always spelled as Welsch.
He does have a son named Phillip. In one census, it says both parents were born in Ohio, and in another it says his father was born in Germany, and his mother in Ohio.

Re: Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 18 Apr 2012 1:07PM GMT
Classification: Marriage
Surnames: WELCH, ISENHURD
Name: Philip Welch
Spouse Name: Margaret Isenhurd
Marriage Date: 2 Feb 1873
Marriage County: Marion
Estimated Birth Year: 1861
Age: 12
Source Title 1: Marion County, Indiana
Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Record 1871 - 1875 Inclusive Vol
Source Title 3: Original Record Located: County Clerk's Office Ind
Book: 205

Re: Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 18 Apr 2012 1:14PM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: WELCH
WW11
Name: Henry Benjamin Welch
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1886
Birth Place: New Rose, Indiana
Residence: Tacoma, Washington
Race: White



WW1
Name: Henry Benjiman Welch
County: Mason
State: Washington


Name: Henry Welch
Father: Philip
Mother: Marg Eisenhart
County: Jay
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1885
Reference: Jay County, Indiana
Index to Birth Records
1882 - 1920 Inclusive
Volume I
Letters A - Z Inclusive
Book: H-1
Page: 116
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1886
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1991725


Name: Henry B Welch
Date of Death: 8 Jan 1945
Place of Death: Tacoma
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Gender: Male
Certificate: 48


1930
Henry B Welch 43 B INDIANA
Lillian M Welch 43
Shirley A Welch 17
Richard B Welch 13
Tacoma, Pierce, Washington

Re: Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 18 Apr 2012 7:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Yes I have found my grandfather. He is no problem. It is his father, Philip, that I cannot seem to get a handle on. I have his marriage record, at age 12 no less, but nothing else. I have everything on my grandfather Henry however.

Nor can I find anything on Philip's wife Marge, other then the marriage certificate. Odd that. No census records prior to 1910, which only shows Henry. No birth, no baptism and as there is no father's or mother's name I cannot trace the Irish aspect.

Thanks anyway.

Re: Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 18 Apr 2012 7:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
None of this is for my ancestor. Thanks for the help.

Re: Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 18 Apr 2012 7:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks I have everything that you sent in both of your answers. It is Philip that I cannot find anything on other then his marriage and the birth of his son Henry. My mother cannot remember if Henry had any siblings either. However, there doesn't seem to be any that I can find.

Thanks anyway.

Re: Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 19 Apr 2012 12:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Is that your Henry who died in 1945? I ask because they had completely different parents listed in the online death index.
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/C8AF6ED17114BA...

Re: Philip Welch born c 1861 Indiana

Posted: 19 Apr 2012 2:11AM GMT
Classification: Query

I found the death certificate transcription of the the Henry B. Welch that died in Pierce Co WA in 1945 and it says his parents were Frank Welch and Anna Laurae Gresham.

https://familysearch.org

Name: Henry B. Welch
Death Date: 08 Jan 1945
Death Place: Tacoma, Pierce, Washington
Gender: Male
Race (Displayed on Form):
Age at Death: 58 years 11 months 19 days
Estimated Birth Year: 1887
Birth Date:
Birth Place:
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Lillian Welch
Father's Name: Frank Welch
Father's Birth Place:
Mother's Name: Anna Laurae Gresham
Mother's Birth Place:
Occupation:
Street Address:
Residence:
Cemetery:
Burial Place:
Burial Date:
Additional Relatives:
Film Number: 2032472
Digital GS Number: 4223009
Image Number: 362
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: cn 48
Source Citation
"Washington Death Certificates, 1907-1960," index, FamilySearch https://familysearch.org

May I suggest that you have someone from Marion county courthouse to actually look at the ledger. The transcription that you see may have wrong ages. Or pehaps write a letter requesting a copy.

Here is another example of one that is possibly wrong.
Name: Ann Isenhart
Spouse Name: Victoria G Haag
Marriage Date: 25 Mar 1872
Marriage County: Jay
Source Title 1: Jay County, Indiana
Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Records 1850 - 1920 Inclusive Vo
Source Title 3: W. P. A Original Record Located County Clerk's Off
Book: C-C
OS Page: 489

E J Isenhart - Wm Eils 06 Oct 1872 Jay Co
Nancy Isenhart b. abt 1838 IN - David Sommers 12 Oct 1873 Jay Co lived Jay Co 1880
Samuel Isenhart - Rebecca O Baer 13 June 1874 Jay Co
Geo W Isenhart - Sarah E Kress 12 Feb 1876 Jay Co
Mary Isnehart - Levi Ketterman 20 Jan 1878 Jay Co

Tillie Eisenhart born Jay Co married George Poock 20 Aug 1885 Portland IN dtr of Frederick Eisenhart & Catharine Beard. George Poock b. 02 Jul 1860 Dayton OH died in Montgomery Co OH 12 Sept 1923 son of Fred and Christine Lentz wife Tillie Eisenhart

You can eliminate this family
1860; Census Place: Waverly, Pike, Ohio; Roll: M653_1024; Page: 377; Image: 153; Family History Library Film: 805024
Melcha Eisenhart 50 born Bavaria
Maria E Eisenhart 44 Bavaria
Maria E Eisenhart 23 Bavaria
Anton Eisenhart 18 Bavaria
Margaret Eisenhart 13 OH - Margaret Eisenhard married Conrad Jacob Rupple 31 Jan 1864 Pike Co OH. . .found death record for one of their children.
John Eisenhart 12 OH
Christina Eisenhart 9 OH
George Eisenhart 2 OH

1870 Indianapolis, ward 5, Marion, Indiana
Philip Welsch age 24 born Prussia 1846 laborer residing in boarding house owned/ran by William Ditz born Damstead age 46 and his family along with more than a dozen other borders.

1900 Gibson Township Ft Recovery, Mercer, Ohio
Philip J Welsch age 52 born Apr 1848 Germany married one year teamster
Elizabeth wife age 38 born Oct 1861 Ohio bore 5 children 2 living
Henry Welsch age 15 says born May 1885 Indiana parents born Germany
Elizabeth's son Eugene Miller b. OH abt 1883 widower shows up in Philip's household 1920 and 1930 census along with Elizabeth. Eugene Miller 03 Sept 1882 OH - 16 June 1955 Van Wert, Van Wert Co OH buried Ft Recovery son of J W Miller and "Eliza" Wilkerson.

The 1910 census Gibson, Mercer Ohio shows Philip J Welsch age 61 born Germany, married twice for 12 yrs, Elizabeth A Welsch age 49 born OH her 2nd marriage 12 yrs bore 5 children 1 living.

Name: Phillip Welch
Titles & Terms:
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Nov 1898
Event Place: Paulding, Ohio
Age:
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Marriage Date Note:
Marriage Place Note:
Estimated Birth Year:
Father:
Father's Titles & Terms:
Mother:
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Spouse: Elizabeth Miller
Spouse's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Father's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Mother:
Spouse's Mother's Titles & Terms:
Reference Number: Vol 5 p 548
Film Number: 925301
Digital Folder Number: 4017326
Image Number: 872
Source Citation
"Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-1994," index and images, FamilySearch https://familysearch.org

1900 Ft Recovery, Mercer, Ohio
Lawrence Welsch, listed as boarder, age 25 born Indiana Oct 1874 single father born Germany mother born Ohio fireman lumber factory residing with John "Remaklus" born Germany Apr 1845 wife Catharine Welch/Welsch born Germany April 1846 arrived US in 1867 children born in Indiana they married abt 1873 have a son named John Philip born June 1885 West Corydon, Indiana - 28 Dec 1916 Lewistown, Fergus Co Montana who married Ethel May Wood ; Nickolas Sept 1875 Jay Co IN - 22 June 1910 Mercer Co OH married Louisa B Steinbruner, Barbara Dec 1879 IN; Henry H 03 Oct 1888 IN - 26 Dec 1915 Recovery, Mercer Co OH. John was a miller they lived in Wabash, Jay Co IN in 1880 son Lawrence R Remaklus b. 1874 Jay Co IN died 20 Mar 1908 Mercer Co OH and dtr Margaret 1878 IN.

Name: Lawrence Phillip Welsch
City: Indianapolis
County: Marion
State: Indiana
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1873
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1613148
DraftBoard: 8 WW I 1917 or 1918 wife Elizabeth

I checked every Lawrence born abt 1873 Indiana in the 1880 Census in Indiana looking for father named Philip/Phillip mother "Margaret" and found no match thinking surname had been terribly misread.

Groom: John Remaklus
Groom's Race:
Groom's Date of Birth:
Groom's Place of Birth:
Groom's Residence:
Groom's Number of Marriage:
Groom's Father:
Groom's Mother:
Bride: Catharine Welch
Bride's Race:
Bride's Date of Birth:
Bride's Place of Birth:
Bride's Residence:
Bride's Number of Marriage:
Bride's Father:
Bride's Mother:
Informant Name:
Date of License: 30 Sep 1872
County of License: Jay
Date of Marriage: 08 Oct 1872
Place of Marriage: , Jay, Indiana
Official:
Record Number:
Film Number: 1749840
Digital Folder Number: 4714925
Image Number: 00847
Number of Images: 1
Source Citation
"Indiana, Marriages, 1811-1959," index, FamilySearch https://familysearch.org

Barbara Welch married Christopher Laux 23 Sept 1873 Jay County IN

Name: Philip Welsch
Titles & Terms:
Event: Death
Event Date: 08 Nov 1934
Event Place: Recovery Village, Mercer Co., Ohio
Residence:
Street Address:
Gender: Male
Death Age: 86y 6m 18d
Marital Status: Married
Race: white
Occupation: retired
Birth Date: 20 Apr 1848
Birthplace: Germany
Estimated Birth Year: 1848
Burial Date: 11 Nov 1934
Burial Place: Ft. Recovery, Ohio
Cemetery:
Father: Mathias Welsch
Father's Titles & Terms:
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother: Anna Weber
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Spouse:
Spouse's Titles & Terms:
Informant Dick Remaklus
Reference Number: fn 68110
Film Number: 2022232
Digital Folder Number: 4001913
Image Number: 15
Source Citation
"Ohio, Deaths, 1908-1953," index and images, FamilySearch https://familysearch.org

Name: Catherine Remaklus
Titles & Terms:
Event: Death
Event Date: 06 Dec 1937
Event Place: Fort Recovery, Mercer, Ohio
Residence: Fort Recovery, O.
Street Address:
Gender: Female
Death Age: 91y 7m 6d
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: W
Occupation: retired
Birth Date: 29 Apr 1846
Birthplace: Germany
Estimated Birth Year: 1846
Burial Date: 07 Dec 1937
Burial Place: Ft. Recovery, O.
Cemetery:
Father: Methias Joseph Welsch
Father's Titles & Terms:
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother: Gertrude Weaver
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Spouse: John Remaklus
Spouse's Titles & Terms:
Reference Number: fn 77848
Film Number: 2023551
Digital Folder Number: 4121800
Image Number: 3186
Informant Dick Remaklus, Ft Recovery, Ohio RR # 2
Source Citation
"Ohio, Deaths, 1908-1953," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org

Lawrence Welsh b. Germany/Prussia 1852 lived in Jay Co IN wife Catherine Biittel/Beatle whom he married 26 Jan 1886 Wabash, Jay IND 1900 census +

Peter Welsch b. Germany Dec 1857 lived in Jay Co IN married wife Elizabeth abt 1881 stated arrival was in 1865 - 1869

Groom: Laurence Welsch
Groom's Race: White
Groom's Date of Birth:
Groom's Place of Birth: , , Germany
Groom's Residence: Wabash Twp, Jay, Indiana
Groom's Number of Marriage: 1
Groom's Father: Mathias J Welsch
Groom's Mother: Gertrude Weber
Bride: Catharine Biittel
Bride's Race: White
Bride's Date of Birth:
Bride's Place of Birth: , , Germany
Bride's Residence: New Corydon, , Indiana
Bride's Number of Marriage: 1
Bride's Father: Nicholas Biittel
Bride's Mother: Louisa Stes
Informant Name:
Date of License:
County of License: Jay
Date of Marriage: 26 Jan 1886
Place of Marriage: Wabash Twp, Jay, Indiana
Official:
Record Number: 233
Film Number: 1750174
Digital Folder Number: 4714931
Image Number: 00088
Number of Images: 1
Source Citation
"Indiana, Marriages, 1811-1959," index, FamilySearch
https://familysearch.org

12 June 1880 Residence: Wabash, Jay, Indiana
Matthias Welch M 69 1811 Prussia farmer died 29 Mar 1895 Chatanooga, Mercer Co Ohio
Catherine Welch F 62 1818 Prussia also known as Gertrude
Lawrence Welch M 28 Prussia
Peter Welch M 22 Prussia
Henry Welch M 19 Prussia
Barbary Welch Loux F 26 Prussia abt 1854 married daughter

Name: Mathias Josephus Welsch
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Apr 1811
Baptism/Christening Place: SANKT JOHANNES KATHOLISCH,HAMBUCH MAYEN,RHEINLAND,PRUSSIA
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Friderici Josephi Welsch
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Annae Barbarae Schumacher
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C98616-2
System Origin: Germany-ODM
Source Film Number: 462735
Reference Number:
Source Citation
"Germany, Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898," index, FamilySearch https://familysearch.org

Name: Nicolaus Welsch
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 27 May 1856
Baptism/Christening Place: SANKT JOHANNES KATHOLISCH,HAMBUCH MAYEN,RHEINLAND,PRUSSIA
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date: 12 Mar 1858
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Mathiae Josephi Welsch
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Gertrudis Weber
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J98616-3
System Origin: Germany-ODM
Source Film Number: 583678
Reference Number:
Source Citation
"Germany, Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898," index, FamilySearch https://familysearch.org

Name: Joannes Petrus Welsch
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date:
Birthplace: SANKT JOHANNES KATHOLISCH,HAMBUCH MAYEN,RHEINLAND,PRUSSIA
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Mathiae Josgphi Welsch
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Gertrudis Weber
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J98616-3
System Origin: Germany-ODM
Source Film Number: 583678
Reference Number:
Source Citation
"Germany, Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898," index, FamilySearch https://familysearch.org

Name: Henricus Welsch
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 30 May 1861
Baptism/Christening Place: SANKT JOHANNES KATHOLISCH,HAMBUCH MAYEN,RHEINLAND,PRUSSIA
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Mathiae Josephi Welsch
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Gertrudis Weber
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J98616-3
System Origin: Germany-ODM
Source Film Number: 583678
Reference Number:
Source Citation
"Germany, Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898," index, FamilySearch https://familysearch.org

Name: Mathias Welsch
Arrival Date: 23 Jun 1869
Birth Year: abt 1811
Age: 58
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Westphalia
Gerte Welsh b. abt 1817
Cathe Welsh b. abt 1846
Joh Welsh b. abt 1848 - this has to be Philip J
Lorenz Welsch b. abt 1852
Marie Welsh b. abt 1855 - aka Barbara
Peter Welsch b. abt 1862
Heinr Welsch b. abt 1863
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