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Books about Famine Immigration of Ulster Scots?

pagenie  (View posts) Posted: 4 Aug 2008 2:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Aug 2008 1:27AM GMT
I have just finished reading "Paddy's Lament". It deals with the horrendous experiences of the Catholic population and their immigration to the U.S. in 1847.

My three Ulster families that immigrated between 1847 and 1850 were Presbyterians from the Antrim/Down area. In the above-mentioned book it is written that the Protestants had
a different experience during immigration and re-acclaimation to the US than did the Catholics.

I can only find books dealing with Ulster immigration in the 18th century. Does anyone know of literature that deals with the famine years?

Thanks, 'Genie

Re: Books about Famine Immigration of Ulster Scots?

PatWicklow  (View posts) Posted: 5 Aug 2008 11:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Genie,

You don't mention where you're living in the US or if you have access to a large college or university library.

I think one of the difficulties I've seen when researching emigrants from Ireland and Ulster during the Famine to the US is that Ulster Scots were already in great numbers there prior to the Famine and they were very helpful to the Ulster Scots Famine emigrants who arrived there with jobs, housing, etc.

There had been huge emigration from Ulster especially of Ulster Scots beginning in the 1700s primarily because of the British Penal Laws enacted then which forbade practicing any religion other than the Church of Ireland (Anglican) and denying people the rights to own land and vote if they were other religions. Then another wave after the failed Irish Rebellion of 1798 which included many Ulster Scots as leaders of the rebellion.

The Famine emigrants were considered in the US as a lower class or lower socio economic class than the Ulster Scots who were already there and so were classed in that lower economic group identified with the Famine and the Catholic religion. The Ulster Scots on the other hand separated themselves from the waves of Famine immigrants in that lower socio economic class.

Also many books have been written about the Famine emigrants and they were written in the late Twentieth Century (primarily in the run up to the Famine 150th anniversary commemoration beginning in the late 1980s and early 1990s) when the polarisation on religious grounds in Ireland became more cemented in the Twentieth Century especially after the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland were divided in 1922.

There was also a collective amnesia here in Ireland and in Ulster about the Famine. It was so horrific no one talked about it because it was absolutely so horrific. There wasn't any observance for the 100th anniversary here and if it wasn't for Cecil Woodham-Smith's groundbreaking book in 1962 "The Great Hunger" many people wouldn't even have known about it. But it took another nearly 30 years after her book for the topic to begin being scrutinised primarily among the descendants of those who emigrated to the US and who brought pressure to bear to acknowledge it. Even observances here if there are any are in conjunction primarily with current hunger in Africa so it's still a very difficult subject to deal with.

Thomas Gallagher who wrote Paddy's Lament was US based (Manhattan) and is since deceased. Many books about the Famine initially were by US authors or historians concentrating on Ireland and not the US. Here's a map of Ireland showing

Where did your ancestors emigrate to in the US? You might start with local histories for the area to see what the socio economic conditions were when they arrived and look at their US census information which should also help identify if they could read and write, if they were merchants or farmers, I believe the 1880 US Federal census includes savings and value of land for the emigrants. Local church histories may help too. Many Presbyterian churches there also have excellent church histories.

Where were your ancestors from in Counties Antrim and Down? If you look at the following link many areas of those counties suffered greatly during the Famine:
http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/famine/dist...

It's only recently that even Famine graves are being identified in Northern Ireland, some information here and some history about the "collective amnesia":
http://www.ijai.supanet.com/vol1/tgf/famine.htm

There is one site in Belfast which has just recently even been identified as containing Famine graves I believe it's in the Cornmarket area in the City and Friar's Bush cemetery. http://www.celtic-connection.com/2004/features/feat2004_11_0...

The Ulster American Folk Park in Omagh, County Tyrone is working on Ulster emigration during the Famine:
http://www.folkpark.com/learning/schools/special_focus_visit...

They're also compiling letters from emigrants home who left during the Famine.

The Ulster Museum also has a bibliography including books about the Ulster emigration during the Famine:
http://www.ulstermuseum.org.uk/ask-the-experts/13/

Kerby Miller, a US based scholar and professor has done a large amount of research about the emigrants and Ireland. He had been a research fellow at Queens University in Belfast:
http://history.missouri.edu/people/miller.html

Also Library Ireland Ulster has some information:
http://booksulster.com/pipermail/libraryireland_booksulster....

Pat

Re: Books about Famine Immigration of Ulster Scots?

pagenie  (View posts) Posted: 5 Aug 2008 2:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Aug 2008 1:30AM GMT
Surnames: Hastings, Roy, Stewart, Ferguson, Branyan,Brannion
Pat,

Thank you so much for the wealth of information you have provided.

I am not definitely sure where my ancestors originated.
My Roy ancestors were from somewhere in Down as noted on
one ancestor's death record. The Roy immigrant ancestors were listed in the 1850 census as Robert Roy (age 45 in 1850) and wife, Margaret. Two children, Sarah (1840) and Robert John (1844),were born in Ireland. My great-grandmother, Elizabeth, was born at sea in 1847. I have recently found that Robert John's mother was Sarah Walker. I don't know if she died in Ireland or the US. I can't find a ship's list that matches this family so don't know if Margaret was Elizabeth's mother or a new wife married between 1847 and 1850. Robert's parents, as listed in his death record, were John and Margaret Roy. In one census record Robert was listed as being named John so he may have been John Robert and wanted to be identified that way so not to be confused with his son who was always known as Robert.

My other ancestors were John Hastings, with possibly two
wives, Jane - and Mary Ferguson. I am not sure of their origin but John and Jane may be the couple who immigrated with a man named Hope Waddell Hastings.

My third family was that of William H. Stewart and wife,
Grace. They appear to have immigrated separately with William arriving in the US first. Grace and son, John M.(born in 1846),arrived in 1850. Grace's maiden name is
listed as Branyan or Brannion in vital records. My hunch is that they may have lived in the IslandMagee area of Antrim
considering the large Brannion/Stewart population there.

All three of these families settled among the very large
Ulster Scot population in Pittsburgh/Allegheny City, Pennsylvania. Robert Roy worked in the steel mills, John Hastings was a shoemaker and William H. Stewart was listed as a wire weaver/wire worker. They all attended Presbyterian
churches but the information in those records doesn't reveal anything about their counties of origin.

The map you sent shows that the famine was substantially
milder in the areas of Down and Antrim so I wonder if there were other factors that influenced immigration.

I live in the state of West Virginia but do a lot of used book buying through Amazon so any books you might suggest would probably be available to me.

Thanks for any suggestions,
'Genie



Re: Books about Famine Immigration of Ulster Scots?

PatWicklow  (View posts) Posted: 6 Aug 2008 10:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Genie,

It depends on where they were born in County Down and County Antrim. The map link I gave you was the Poor Law Commissioner's report and was based on those taking rashons through the Poor Houses (Workhouses) and not the general population. There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlands in Counties Down and Antrim at http://www.seanruad.com and pick either county from the drop down menu.

The links I included in my previous message included book lists too. You can probably get many of them through interlibrary loan.

Since civil registration of births didn't begin in Ireland until 1864 church parish records for their parishes in County Antrim and County Down would be the sources for baptismal records for them. The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) in Belfast, County Antrim has many Presbyerian church records on microfilm, see: http://www.proni.gov.uk/

To find out where they were born in County Down or County Antrim you can search the following records in the US:
Irish born: civil and church marriage and death records, cemetery records, tombstones, wills and obituaries as well as US naturalisation records.

Their children's civil and church birth/baptism, marriage and death records, obituaries may include their parents birthplaces in Counties Down and Antrim.

Pat

Re: Books about Famine Immigration of Ulster Scots?

credmac  (View posts) Posted: 19 Apr 2009 6:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Hastings, Patton
Hi,

I just notice that you have a Hope Hastings in you data.

I just started to research a Robert H. Hastings 1831-1855 of Allegheny City. In the 1850 US census there is a Hope Hastings listed as living with him. I have not be able to find the relationship between them yet.

Do you have any info on him or additional info on John Hastings.

Robert had a brother named Eleazer and a Sister by the name of Margaret Ann Hastings Patton. And there may be more.

Does any of this fit in with your Hastings?

I have been told that there were two Hope Hastings in the area at that time, but I have only found one.

Mac

Re: Books about Famine Immigration of Ulster Scots?

pagenie  (View posts) Posted: 19 Apr 2009 6:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Hastings
Hello Mac,

I'm glad to hear from you. I certainly hope that we can figure out this Hastings Family together!

Here is what I have from the 1850 Census of Allegheny City, 3rd Ward:

Robert Hastings 38 Ire Shoemaker
Jane Hastings 33 Ire
David Hastings 12 PA
James S Hastings 10 PA
Nancy J Hastings 2 PA
Hope W. Hastings 20 Ire Shoemaker

What information do you have concerning Robert Hastings?
Are the dates you mentioned (1831-1855) birth and death dates?
The age of 38 given in the census would make his birthdate abt. 1812.

There were two Hopes. The other one was the son of the one mentioned above.

Tell me all of the information you have so far and how you are related and I will try to add to it.

Carol

Re: Books about Famine Immigration of Ulster Scots?

credmac  (View posts) Posted: 19 Apr 2009 9:28PM GMT
Classification: Query
Carol,

Here is some of the data that I have found on Robert H. Hastings.

He was born 2 Feb 1812 and died 13 Jan 1855.

I have the same info on the 1850s census.

Note that Hope is really a question on weather he is a son of Robert, his wife is a little young. Unless she is the second wife. Note also that he is born in Ireland.

I wish once that one of the relations would list the city they were born in.

I have had trouble finding Jane in the 1860 census. It is like they were missed in the census. Have you had any luck?

Robert is related to my great great grandfather Eleazer,

Have you found the name Patton any where in you searches? She is Roberts' sister. She lived in Indiana township.

I believe I have the cemetery location for Robert and Jane graves.

Would you have any info to mix into this mess?

Have a good day.

Mac

Re: Books about Famine Immigration of Ulster Scots?

pagenie  (View posts) Posted: 20 Apr 2009 12:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Hastings
Mac,

I'm in a rush to get to an appointment so will have to get back to you. Do you know how Robert is related to Eleazer? It seems that E. was born in PA as were his parents. I haven't found Jane in 1860 either. Yes, I get very frustrated when the place of origin is listed only as "Ireland". I did have one couple who at least listed
their births as being in County Down but with Irish records being so hard to search before civil registration it hasn't helped much.

You can email me at: pagenie@suddenlink.net

Carol

Re: Books about Famine Immigration of Ulster Scots?

pagenie  (View posts) Posted: 21 Apr 2009 1:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Hastings
Mac,

Where was Eleazer born? The following is what I have found on Ancestry. Is this the correct person? Where was your ancestor born? This particular person lists that he and his parents were born in Pennsylvania. Robert was born in Ireland. I reread your messages and see that Robert and
Eleazer were brothers. When was Margaret born and where? Who did she marry?

1880 Allegheny, Pittsburgh, Ward 12, Penn Avenue

HASTINGS ELIAZER 42
HASTINGS SARAH 38
HASTINGS WILLIAM 16
HASTINGS SARAHE. 19
HASTINGS EDWARD 14
HASTINGS MARGRET J 7
HASTINGS ROBERT J. 4
WALKER NANCY 23 Niece
WALKER HANAH 19 Niece
DOWNING MARGRET 18 Niece

1870 Allegheny, Pittsburgh, Ward 16

HASTINGS E. 31
HASTINGS S. 29
HASTINGS S.E. 9
HASTINGS W.R. 6
HASTINGS E.D. 4

John Hastings was my great-great grandfather. He was born
November 1819 in Ireland according to a notation written on
his cemetery plot paper. He is buried in Uniondale Cemetery. I believe that he and Hope Hastings immigrated from Ireland together on the Ship Henry Pottinger 5 Jul 1849. I have been unable to prove parents or siblings even
though there were many Hastings living at Allegheny City and Pittsburgh.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Carol

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