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Brianna Riggio (View posts)
Posted: 2 Aug 1999 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Schum, Schumm
If you have any information pertaining to these surnames or any other spelling variations, please contact me. Also, if you have any information on the town of Illesheste or Ilisesti please contact me. Thank You

Sincerely,
Brianna Riggio
draiocht.fomhar@juno.com

Schumms of Illischestie

Barb Schmitt (View posts)
Posted: 24 Mar 2001 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: SCHUMM, LEIB, SELZER
Hi Brianna,
I have ancestors from the Radautz area of Bukowina, and a couple of them married Schumms.

Martin Selzer married Karolina Schumm on October 15, 1882. She was born in Illischestie and was the daughter of Michael Schumm and Christina Knieling.

Ludwig Leib married Katharina Schumm on October 9, 1871. She was born December 26, 1832 in Illischestie and was the daughter of Michael Schumm and Barbara Ast.

I got this info from LDS films. If they're related to your Schumms, contact me. Barb Schmitt

Re: Schumms of Illischestie

Ed Adolf Schum (View posts)
Posted: 30 Oct 2001 11:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Barb,
I just got back to Canada from a visit with my 86 year old mother who now lives in Germany. While there, I started digging into some of our family history. My mother was born in Korlata Rumania in 1915. My grandmother, born Gassner, was born in Illischestie in 1891. Her father's name was Michael Gassner and her mother's maiden name Schoentaler.
I do remember the name Ast mentioned often by my mother and grandparents. My father's name was Friedrich Schum (born 1907). I could 'dig up' some more details if you are interested. Also, my mother has a great old book about the history of the Bukowina with at least three photographs of Illischestie in it. Re the spelling Schumm vs. Schum. I remember my grandfather saying that the somehow 'lost one m along the way'.
Please email me if you like to discuss this farther.
Ed

Re: Schumms of Illischestie

Posted: 17 Nov 2001 9:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 11 Feb 2005 3:27PM GMT
Hi Ed,
Indeed all the names you mention -- Gassner, Schoentaler, Schumm and Ast, are all familiar, as I've seen them many times in the films on Bukovina.

The only additional information I have on Katharina Schumm (who married my gr-gr grandfather Ludwig Leib) is her father Michael Schumm was born in 1807, and her mother Barbara Ast was born in 1810. Do your records have a Michael Schumm and Barbara Ast?

Karolina Schumm, who married Martin Selzer in 1882, was the daughter of Michael Schumm and Christina Knieling. I have no dates for any of them. Are they connected to your Schumms?

I'm very interested in the Bukowina book your mother has -- do you know the title of it? I have one called "Illischestie, A Rural Parish in Bukovina: Primary Source Material for Family History" compiled by Johann Christian Dressler and translated by Irmgard Hein Ellingson, but it doesn't have any photos of Illischestie.

Barb Schmitt

Re: Schumms of Illischestie

Ed Schum (View posts)
Posted: 18 Nov 2001 3:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Barb,
thanks for getting back to me. I will call my mother and try to find out more. Also, the title and publisher of the Bukowina book. I would also be interested in your book on Illischestie.
I'll get back to you,
Ed Schum

Re: Schumms and Schums of Illischestie

Ed Schum (View posts)
Posted: 19 Nov 2001 5:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello again
I have spoken to my mother in Germany this morning.
The title of the Bukowina book is: Bukowina, Land zwischen Orient und Okzident. It is published by Pannoia Verlag, Freilassing, Germany and is written in German.
I have in the meantime found your Illischestie book on the internet. Can you give me an idea what this book covers in its 516(!) pages? Would be nice to have an idea what to expect before spending US $ 90.00.
I do not have any data on microfilm. All my information comes from my 86 year old mother's memory. She recognises all the names you mentioned. Also, Dressler, the name of the Author of the Illischestie book; there was a schoolteacher in Illischestie by that name.
My mother was told that her grandfather's great grandfather immigrated to the Bukowina from the Rhineland in Germany. I suppose, that would make it approx. the mid to late 1700's.
At that time the name was spelled Schumm. It is not clear exactly how and when the second m got lost. She assumes that it was done by the Rumanian authorities.
My mother rememers only as far back as my great grandfather. His name was Heinrich Schum, born 1857 and he was married to Christina Haas.
She will in the next while be looking through old documents and probably find names for at least one more generation back.
Would you happen to know if Michael and Christina Schumm had more children? My mother does remember that there is some connection between our family and the Asts.
My grandparents moved from Illischestie to Korlata, a small village about 10 to 15 km's to the south, before my mother was born. In 1941 the whole family moved to Austria, where I was born.
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Otherwise I'll write when I get more info from my mother.
Cheers,
Ed Schum

Re: Schumms of Illischestie

Bill Martin (View posts)
Posted: 1 Dec 2001 5:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Ed,

I read your post and your Theresia Schoentaler was my 2nd cousin three times removed.

My Mother was a Kneiling (US spelling)

Your Michael and Christina Schumm -- Christina was a Knieling, daughter of Franz Peter Kneiling and Maria Christina Althof, and Michael was the son of Friedrich Schum and Kristina Sams.

I have more so let me know what you need.

Bill Martin

Re: Schumms of Illischestie

Bill Martin (View posts)
Posted: 1 Dec 2001 5:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Barb,

I just sent this note to Ed Schum

Hi Ed,

I read your post and your Theresia Schoentaler was my 2nd cousin three times removed.

My Mother was a Kneiling (US spelling)

Your Michael and Christina Schumm -- Christina was a Knieling, daughter of Franz Peter Kneiling and Maria Christina Althof, and Michael was the son of Friedrich Schum and Kristina Sams.

I have more so let me know what you need.

Bill Martin

Barb, I hope either or both of you contact me, I think we may be able to help each other.

Bill Martin

Re: Schumms of Illischestie

Ed Schum (View posts)
Posted: 2 Dec 2001 12:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Bill,
thanks a lot for this much appreciated information. I'll take a little while to 'digest' it (and all the information I've received from Barb Schmitt by mail) and get back to you.
Ed Schum

Re: Schumms of Illischestie

Bill Martin (View posts)
Posted: 2 Dec 2001 3:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Ed,

The book about Illischestie your mother has in Germany is a scarce book. When I lived there, I never was able to buy one, but I did have access to one at a genealogy research institute in Kaiserslautern, Germany. When the book was written in 1964, I still had relatives in several different family lines there, but was never able to go there and visit.

I have a copy of the Dressler compilation of the Illischestie Church records including the pages noted as missing from the translation by Irmgard Ellingson--the $90.00 book, which I also have.

Please respond to my e-mail address direct:

wamartin@harborside.com

Thanks,

Bill
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