My great grandfather, Wilhelm Larson was born a month before his mother married Lars Mattisson. Lars is not listed as the father in the birth record, but he appears in some scribbling to the right of the record.

Here is the link to the record:

http://tinyurl.com/7frjycl

His birthday is Nov 8, 1861

I was hoping someone with a better grasp of Swedish could tell me what the note says. I am trying to confirm that Lars is indeed Wilhelm's biological father.

Thanks!

Karen Verschoor

The link solicits us to join Ancestry.com in order to see the record. Helpers are generally not willing to join a service they do not need just to help out, but we are interested in helping if it doesn't cost us additional money. ;-)

There are other services (such as Genline, SVAR, and Arkiv Digital, not to mention microfilm and microfiche) which most helpers use to view the records. We need the parish name, county, volume, years for that volume, type of record, specific date, etc.

Look at this page written about the importance of providing a source and not a link.

http://hem.bredband.net/johanroger/sources.pdf

Since you are obviously using the world version of Ancestry.com to view this record, use the following information to provide us with the source information.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SWEDEN/2011-02...

Judy

Sorry. Does this help?

County: Blekinge
Parish: Bräkne-Hoby
Record Type: Födde (Birth)
Year Range: 1861 - 1861
GID Number: 100010.11.58300
Volume: :48
Roll/Fiche Number: SC-404

Birthdate is Nov8, 1861

Record URL: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?h=34930115&db...

Betrothed ("trolofvad") with the farmer in ??? Lars Mattisson(?), who on the day ??? ??? ??? ???, not ("icke") is father to the by his fiancee Elna born child.

But it is dificult to read, and I'm not absolutely sure about the "icke", so perhaps it is in fact his child.

Perhaps better readable in the original parish birth record on ArkivDigital?

// Bo Johanson

Thanks. I think it may have something to do with the law in 1861. I think I read somewhere that before 1865 it was illegal to have sex outside of marriage. So maybe she was trying to protect him.

The thing that is strange is that Wilhelm is still listed as illegitimate in subsequent household examinations. I thought I had also read that if the father married the mother the child was legitimized.

I do plan on getting a subscription to Arkivdigital. A lot of the old microfilm scans are hard to read.

Thanks for your help!

Karen

If the child wasn't legitimized by the marriage, I think that means the husband wasn't the child's father.

// Bo Johanson

How strange to marry someone a month after giving birth to someone else's child. Does that seem unusual to you? How curious. Wilhelm does use Larsson as his last name.

It turns out every branch of my Swedish tree has some sort of illegitimate birth included. My great grandmother had three children without ever marrying. All with different men. This was in 1880-1890. All used their mothers father name as a last name. Even though the fathers were named in the birth records. All of this is quite surprising as the family was very religious.

Any hope of figuring out who Wilhelms biological father was?

Thanks for your help

Karen

"It turns out every branch of my Swedish tree has some sort of illegitimate birth included."

We all have illegitimate births (and often several) in our family trees. I don't think religion or lack of religion had anything to do with this.

"Any hope of figuring out who Wilhelms biological father was?"

Try the ideas in this article.

https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Sweden:_Finding_a...

Judy

Sorry. Did not mean to sound judgmental. Thanks for the link.

Karen

The Arkiv Digital record doesn't have quite the same wording as the extracted birth record found on Genline, but there is definitely an "icke".

Bräkne-Hoby CI:13 (1861-1883) Image 20 (AID: v95559.b20, NAD: SE/LLA/13047)

Vilhelm was baptised 15 November.

I'm not at all good at attaching records to this board, but I'll try to attach the comment.