Need help locating the cemetery in Providence, Rhode Island where Barbara is buried. She died in New York (Brooklyn) and was brought to Providence for burial. George and Barbara Sharp Robertson her parents may be buried here and her husband Thomas Warden who may have died about 1896. Barbara died June 1899. Sisters Jane and Ellen may be buried in the same cemetery.

Would appreciate any clues because I would like to make a trip to Rhode Island this summer.

Janelle Warden

Jim,

Suggest you send to NYC Municipal Archives for a copy of Barbara's DC which should, hopefully, list her place of burial as a specific cemetery rather than just RI. They usually take about 2 weeks but sometimes they have been faster. Ordering is via credit card on line which, at least, speeds things up somewhat.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml

Deaths in NYC for the period of 1891-1948 are available on line through the site Italian Genealogical Group and easily searchable via Steve Morse's 1 Step site.

http://www.italiangen.org/vitalreclist.stm
http://stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html

Here is Barbara: Warden, Barbara R; 53y d.Jun 24, 1899
DC # 10417 Kings Co. birth year range - 1845 - 1846

I checked the RI Cemeteries Transcription Project database for Thomas & Barbara and George & Barbara but found none of them. http://ricemeteries.tripod.com/index.html

If any of them other than Barbara died in RI, you can contact the RI State Archives for a death record which should also name the cemetery for burial.

Rhode Island State Archives
337 Westminster Street
Providence, Rhode Island 02903
Telephone: (401) 222-2353
Fax: (401) 222-3199
Email: reference@sec.state.ri.us
Web: www.state.ri.us/archives/ ~~website is poorly designed and pretty much useless from a genealogy point of view.
Open to the public Monday-Friday 8:30 am - 4:30 pm

Deaths from about 1856 to 1958. Births and marriages from about 1856 to 1908. On 1 Jan of each year, another year's records are released so 1958/1908 will increase to 1959/1909 next 1 Jan 2010. There is a couple month lag in availability while Archives processes the newly received records and prepares them for public use. Anything which falls after 1958/1908 must be obtained from the RI Health Dept. / Vital Records.

Archives also has RI State Censuses done on the "5" years from 1865 - 1935 with the exception of 1895 which is MIA.


You might also try looking at Find A Grave. Although most of the entries in the database are generated by descendents, some cemeteries have had people that went out, surveyed the burials and entered the interments into the database. Currently there are no entries for the names you supplied however, once you learn the cemetery name, the page for that particular cemetery's database will have known contact information.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs&;
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cs

Happy Hunting!

Janelle,

Apologies in order...saw the "jm" in your identifier and the generic male silhouette for the user next to it which my pea brain then translated to "Jim".

I'll blame it on the weather...it's been raining here so much lately, my brain is getting moss growing in it.

Thanks for all the ideas.

I have already contacted the Rhode Island Historical Society and they could find nothing.

I have the Death Certificate that I got through the Mormon Library and is tells the undertaker and just says burial Providence, Rhode Island. I looked up the undertaker and that is long gone.

The public library in Providence is searching for me also.

I might try the reference email at the archives.

For her to be buried in Providence there has got to be Thomas and her parents buried there.

Janelle Warden

I was afraid that a DC would simply say "Providence" rather than specify the cemetery.

Try also Providence City Hall, Department of Vital Statistics. I don't know how far back the issuance of burial permits goes but it's a "revenue raiser" so quite possibly the City was requiring burial permits even back then.

City Hall 1st Floor
25 Dorrance St. 02903
Phone: (401) 421-7740 ext. 213

NYC may also have required some sort of transit permit for the removal and transportation out of NYC/NY of the body. I did a quick Google search & came up with a book of NYC City Ordiances from 1922, pg. 416. Sec. 37 speaks to needing a permit to carry & convey dead human bodies or parts and mentions the issuing authority at that time being Board of Health so that may be something else to look at if nothing else works out.

http://books.google.com/books?id=7fRIAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA416&a...

There are earlier Code books for NYC at Google Books...1906 / Sec 163 / pg 161 Same basic code as the 1922 one also issued by Board of Health.

http://books.google.com/books?id=YvRIAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA161&a...

If you go into google books and search "Code of Ordinances of the City of New York", you might be able to come up with one for Barbara's year of death or closer to it than the two I found.

Archives is probably your best bet. Hope you're able to locate a cemetery for Barbara & the burial of the other family members.

Thanks again for all the good info'

I will just keep on researching and hopefully soon we can find something about the family.

Did they require passports in 1870's and 1890's to travel to New Zealand from New York and then to travel back to New York from New Zealand about 1892. So far I have found nothing in the way of a passport.

So much to research

I can't really answer the passport question. I never thought about it.

Members of my family went back and forth to England a number of times prior to the '20's but didn't have any passport noted on their ships' manifests, just a column for nationality

I didn't start to notice a column for passport numbers on ships' manifests until after 1920 or so.

So, perhaps passports weren't something that was required in the years you've asked about. Have you tried Google or another search engine to query the history of passports?

The only Thomas Warden I could find that died in 1896, in The New York Death Records, died Nov. 3, 1896 in Manhattan, but he was only 23 days old. What month did you have for his death? Did Barbara and Thomas have any children? Maybe Barbara was buried in Providence, because her children lived there?

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~walker/war...

Today I heard from the Rhode Island Archives and yes I think Barbara and Thomas are buried in East Providence, RI

Sad though that Thomas died at age 33 of aneurism of aorta and now Barbara is left at age 30 with two small sons about ages 5 and 3. Now to decide if I want to pay out 35.00 for death certificate and birth certificates is Geo was born in RI....If I can't get a certificate cheaper may have to order the other way.

Yeah I saw the Thomas Warden died 1896 and I was hoping maybe the death was wrong and maybe they meant yrs...........but now we know that isn't our Thomas Warden.

I just put a map of E Providence on my Warden page above that shows Richardson St where Thomas died on November 23, 1875. I see several cemeteries nearby. Grace, Locust Grove, Adelade Grove and others........

Looks like I have made progress ; still waiting for other emails

We are in luck ; 'cause I heard back from Rhode Island Archives today...didn't expect to hear so soon.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~walker/war...

yes I think Barbara and Thomas are buried in East Providence, RI

Sad though that Thomas died at age 33 of aneurism of aorta and now Barbara is left at age 30 with two small sons about ages 5 and 3. Now to decide if I want to pay out 35.00 for death certificate and birth certificates is Geo was born in RI....If I can't get a certificate cheaper may have to order the other way.

I just put a map of E Providence on my Warden page above that shows Richardson St where Thomas died on November 23, 1875. I see several cemeteries nearby. Grace, Locust Grove, Adelade Grove and others........

So that means Barbara and her sons went off to New Zealand but I bet someone else in the Robertson family went with them. Either sisters Jane or Ellen or father George. I need to write my librarian at Balclutha and tell her what I found.

Rhode Island archives:
Barbara R Warden age 53 widow, born Scotland, daughter of George Robertson & unknown died at Brooklyn, NY June 24, 1899 ; filed East Providence.

Note: A Thomas Warden parents unknown is also noted as having died in Providence on Richardson Street Nov 23, 1875 ; noted as 33 years 2 months old at the time of death, married occupation jeweler, born England - aneurism of aorta as cause of death.

I am so excited that I have found Thomas now to piece together who went to New Zealand and if George and Barbara Robertson, Jane and Ellen are buried up in RI