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JPiotter8652  (View posts) Posted: 4 Jan 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Just thought all you people doing geneology work on families from PA would be interested in a book I am currently reading. It caught my eye in the bookstore because it was written by Alan Eckert who wrote the Frontiersman. All you Kenton and Kinton researches probably know that book by heart...anyway, this book is called That Dark and Bloody River and tells of the settlement of the Ohio river valley. Very interesting how our families moved and settled from the PA frontier to the Ohio and Kentucky frontiers. Very insightful book with alot of researh having been done. It gives one a better understanding of what had to be endured to carve out an existance in the area that our ancestors did....excellent reading

Allan W. Eckert

mthorne  (View posts) Posted: 29 Jan 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Excellent author. I'm currently reading "A Sorrow in Our Heart - The Life of Tecumseh" and previously read "The Frontiersman". Both are very well written; the former spends a good deal of time discussing the state of affairs with locating PA / MD borders and the conflicts of the 1750s with "new comers" and the Indians. Good reads!

Blue Jacket, not really white as originally claimed by Allan Eckerdt

philbeltz  (View posts) Posted: 22 Feb 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Eckert, Moore
Dear Mike Thorne and Jody Piotter;

Yes, Eckert's books make a good read. The flow and descriptions of Pioneer and Indian life are great.

In the following, forgive me if I make some mistakes, but being at the office and without my files, this is what I remember.

Some take exception to Eckert's treatment of the famous Indian chief, "Blue Jacket". As you know, he was a contemporary and associate of Chief Tecumseh.

Eckert claims that the little white boy [was he a von- Swearingen?] was kidnapped by Indians near Chillicothe, Ohio. So the story goes, he was wearing a, "blue jacket", when captured.

Presumably, he was then raised as Indian. Upon adulthood, he became a fiercesome Indian fighter against many pioneers. Eckert's account is the foundation of the outdoor melodrama, "BLUE Jacket", as staged near Xenia, Ohio.

Unfortunately for Eckert and others, some family were surprised and looked into this claim of, "Blue Jacket", being, "white".

After giving a speech on The Melungeons, in Columbus, Ohio last August 1999, a woman approached me. She suggested my contacting an Indian, Roger Moore. Roger was giving presentations, saying that he was Melungeon.

In a phone call, Roger Moore claimed to be the g-...g- grandson of Blue Jacket. In a trip to Bellefontaine, I saw a book from the Logan County Chapter of OGS. It's in their restricted vault. This rare and fragile book had several chapters relating to Blue Jacket. One was written, if I remember correctly, by his grandaughter.

She relates her grandmother Moore's visit to their home. I can't remember if her name was Virginia or Nancy. Her grandmother Moore, as a 9 year old girl, was kidnapped either in Virginia or Pennsylvania. This white girl [possibly partially Melungeon, herself] was raised in Indian village(s).

Upon her maturity, Chief Blue Jacket took her as his bride/squaw. They had two girls. Her two daughters developed small pox and had facial scarrs.

Blue Jacket was given treaty land along the Maimi, west of Bellefontaine and south of Indian Lake and Russells Pointe.

Eventually, she was allowed to return to her family in the East. Much later, she returned to the Miami River land between Lewistown to the north and Logansville to the south.

When Blue Jacket died, his wife, [Virginia or Nancy] Moore inherited the land and lived there for quite a long while.

Somehow, but not clear to me, my new friend, Roger Moore, is descended from Blue Jacket. He and others have traced enough to know that Blue Jacket was not white. The NGS printed a scholarly analysis of, "was he or was he not, white". {more scholarly than this posting, today being done without any notes or documents}

Roger Moore is an Indian, "Reenactor". He appears at Gnadenhutten(sp), at Zoar, Schoenbrunn Village and annually at Louis Broomfield's, "Malabar Fall Harvest Festival".

He has advised screen writers and directors and acted in about 15 PBS, A&E and History Channel documentaries.

He appears in television interviews and speaks to many school assemblies. He mentions his, "Melungeon", background as part of his presentations.

His, "day job", near Mansfield, Ohio is as a mechanic improving on off-highway equipment.

Roger once confronted Allan Eckert. By then Mr. Eckert knew of the error. He appologized for the error in research leading the false conclusion.

Apparently, there was another, "blue jacket", boy that did exist, but at a different time and in a different place. However, that "blue jacket", never became a chief; and might have been white; and might have been ...

As arranged by phone, our family met Roger Moore at the Fall 1999 Louis Broomfield's, "Malabar Farm Fall Harvest", in Richland County, Ohio.

Among the tens of thousands of people milling around, he and his son were the only dressed Indians there. They walked the grounds and spent time in the camping and Civil War display.

Assuming him to be there again next Fall, I invite you to visit Malabar Farm and to approach them. He openly welcomes visitors and enjoys interacting and sharing the old Indian and Pioneer stories.

I hope to return to Xenia this summer to again see, "Blue Jacket". Several people, including Roger, have mentioned that before the production begins, an announcer comments in a way that indicates that liberties with facts have been made, for the entertainment value. I want to hear the exact phrasing.

Personally, I wish that the play would be rewritten. The story of Indian and Pioneer life and the Treaty of Greenville is exciting enough without causing 2 to 3 thousand patrons per night to, "mislearn history".

As Roger says, "I spend the rest of the year, correcting this error. That's a lot of people to approach."

My hope is that the new Columbus, "BLUE JACKETS", Hockey Team, playing in The Nationwide Arena, will realize the facts in their publicity and promotions.

If I have made an error in recountlng the above, I am sure that someone will let me know.

Sincerely,

Phil Beltz

Blue Jacket

Jack  (View posts) Posted: 24 Jul 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Phil:

I find you information concerning Blue Jacket very interesting. Do you have additional information besides what you have learned from Roger Moore? Which side is Roger related to? Do you you have some webb addresses you would be willing to share that might support some of your conclusions. Thanks for your help.

Jack

Blue Jacket

philbeltz  (View posts) Posted: 19 Oct 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Moore
Dear P N Jack;

Unfortunately, Roger Moore does not have a computer. The best reference is in the vault at the Logan County Genealogical Society in Bellefontaine, Ohio.

Blue Jacket's grand-daughter was deposed by a local author regarding her remberances of Blue Jacket's wife.

Once as a little girl, Blue Jacket's white wife, a Moore woman from either Pennsylvania or Virginia came to visit her mother. Either Blue Jacket's wife or daughter was Nancy, the other was Virginia.

I copied the couple of pages and may eventually refind them.

Phil Beltz

Blue Jacket

Jack Wilson  (View posts) Posted: 20 Oct 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Phil:

Would you happen to have the address of the lady in Indiana, Vivian Swearingen, that has the bible?

Thanks for your help. Jack

Re: Blue Jacket

bjima  (View posts) Posted: 5 Jul 2001 2:07AM GMT
Classification: Query
Bluejacket's wife was Margaret Moore. She was a white lady and was also captured by the Shawnees. Nancy was their daughter she was born in 1774 and died November 1840 in Virginia. She was married to a James Stewart

Re: Blue Jacket, not really white as originally claimed by Allan Eckerdt

MCS74SCM  (View posts) Posted: 26 Jun 2009 6:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
I may have the answer--I need to contact Roger Moore, DNA please? Lineage please.

Melanie Snyder

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