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Prince Albert? No.. not that one

dcherr86  (View posts) Posted: 12 Apr 2012 3:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 12 Apr 2012 3:31PM GMT
Hello, I am looking for information on german royalty in the mid 19th century. Below I will tell what info i have gathered on my gg grandfather and hope someone might point me in the right direction.

-I have an ancestor , Albert Herr, that has multiple stories of him being part of a royal family. The story is he was way down the line, 7th or 8th and he left Germany around 1870 for America and changed his last name. He had a brother Joeseph that came as well and they married sisters in Holly Springs MS shortly after immigrating. Rumored to be a arranged marriage in my family.

-On a passport application he states he was born in Elzach, Germany, baden. This re-eforces a story of him going back to germany later in life that I have been told. The family story continues that he came back to america when the Nazi's where coming to power.

-When back in the us there is another story, from the county he live in ms, that tells of him having his nurse/servant burn his royal papers on his death bed and the reasoning for him burning them i have heard multiple stories.

This is only a few things that point to the possibilty through stories and some documents i have been told or found. Does Anyone know of an Albert born in 1849(though his passport application says 1848 which we believe is false becasue even his tombstone says 1849.) that left germany as a prince, Having a brother named Joseph?

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

PineFly1  (View posts) Posted: 14 Apr 2012 6:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Very intriguing story, indeed. Younger sons of important noble houses coming to America are not at all unknown. I believe there was a Hohenzollern that did so.

If your ancestor were truly in a "royal" house, your search is limited. [Of course, Baden, while sovereign, was only made "royal" rather recently.] I just briefly scanned through the house of Baden entries in the online Gotha, looking for brothers born around the time you suggest. No luck. It occurs to me that "Albert" and "Joseph" may have been "Rufnamen" and not the first in the sometimes agonizingly long lists of given names, especially in royal families.

Were your ancestors from non-royal, but families of the highest nobility, your search becomes instantly more elaborate. I would focus first, of course, on such families seated in Baden. But, I'm not sure any list of "Fürstlich," say, families would readily give you their home territories. It could turn out to be quite a job, unless you are familiar with the materials and history.

Have you looked for newspaper accounts of the weddings in Holly Springs? I wonder if there were some enterprise that brought Germans to that town ... some connection. In that regard, I am thinking of my great grandfather, who found a position with the zinc rolling mills, in La Salle, Illinois, that were owned and operated by German immigrants. Another great grandfather, early upon arrival, here, worked on the Eads Bridge, St. Louis. For some reason, I believe that project's engineering was in charge of a German; and, likely, word got back to the technical high school, where my grt. grdfthr was studying.

Best of luck with your searches. I hope that if you, or anyone else, finds anything on this, that the results will find their way onto this list. Thank you.

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

PineFly1  (View posts) Posted: 14 Apr 2012 6:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Herr
"HERR" in US Censuses, Mississippi, at Heritage Quest:

HERR ALBERT61MWGERMMSMARSHALL HOLLY SPRINGS 1920 (implies birth abt. 1859 --- could be son of your Albert, or of Joseph?)

HERR ALBERT52MWEUROMSMARSHALL 4-WD HOLLY SPRINGS 1910

HERR ALBERT41MWGERMMSMARSHALL 4-WD HOLLY SPRINGS 1900

HERR JOSEPH26MWBADEMSMARSHALL 5-WD HOLLY SPRINGS 1870 (b. abt. 1844)

In 1870, Joseph has wife Rosa.

It appears that the Albert in 1900 / 1910 / 1920 is the same (b. 1859)

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

jonathanmrazek  (View posts) Posted: 24 Aug 2012 1:12PM GMT
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Hi my name is Jonathan Mrazek My email is jonathan.mrazek@gmail.com i have some information on the story of your gg grandfather as i now own the Albert Herr House or you can call me 901-674-4000 as i also have questions about the former owners of my house thanks again jonathan

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

dcherr86  (View posts) Posted: 24 Aug 2012 2:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
The Herr family has a tradition of naming people the same name i believe we are up to IV for both Robert Columbus Herr(My father III and Brother IV) and for Albert's as well.

Rosa was his wife and she was one of two sisters that albert and Joe married. Rosa was born in Louisiana from what i can tell.

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

dcherr86  (View posts) Posted: 24 Aug 2012 2:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Wow, sounds like to fully track this down is going to require a lot more research. Might be something left for a professonal with more knowledge on the area.

I haven't been able to find a newspaper about the wedding but what brought them to the town was the two daughters. There father owned a pottery factory that they took over and ran into the early 1900's.

If i do find anything i will be sure to post it on the list. Thanks for the reply.

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