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James (Jim) Otto Blackstone III  (View posts) Posted: 22 Dec 2004 2:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blackstone
It appears that the message I left here yesterday about this was mysteriously and anonymously deleted? As a common courtesy, it would be nice if we received a notification about the deletion of our messages and why, so that we could re-phrase and re-post. After reading the rules of this bulletin board, it appears that the message was deleted because it was translated as "A commercial, fee for service, or advertising message."

With all of this said, I re-phrase my message to let everyone know that many male Blackstone descendants are in the process of taking Y-Chromosome DNA use today's technology test to more accurately trace our roots and the immigration patterns of the Blackstones, Blackstons, Blaxtons, and Blakistons. All Blackstone researchers, not just the males, stand to benefit greatly from this research. This is especially true for many of us who share documents, pictures, and other genealogical information so freely and unselfishly.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to send me or Chris Atkinson(christopher.atkinson700@ntlworld.com) an e-mail. Since there is much activity and interest on the subject of using DNA testing by genealogist, I expect that this sort of information would be welcome on this bulletin board. If not, I ask whomever controls this board to respond by posting an explanation here on this board with your name and contact information.

Sincerely,

Jim Blackstone
jim38@charter.net
www.jimblackstone.com

Re: Blackstone DNA Project

RamonaGayleWoods50  (View posts) Posted: 22 Dec 2004 7:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blackstone, Blakeston
Hello Jim and All,
There is an excellent list and board for DNA projects-DNA Cousins you could post to where allied Blackstone/Blakeston families may be interested in the Blackstone/Blakeston DNA Project. Also Chris just posted an update on the Blackstone/Blakeston DNA project on Dec. 3, 2004.
His message can be read here or in the archives:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BLACKSTONE/2004-12/1102...
Anyone interested in Chris's information can visit his site:
"The Surname Blackstone":
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/christopher.atkinson700/docs
Jim you are correct-no commerical messages are allowed on the lists or boards without written permission of Ancestry/Rootsweb.com..
Best,
Ramona


Re: Blackstone DNA Project

Chris  (View posts) Posted: 29 Apr 2005 11:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blackstone
An update to the DNA study can be found on:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/christopher.atkinson700/docs/Di...

It's taken a long time but Jim's results are back. Jim is believed to be a descendent of Argyle Blackstone.

David's results are due back mid May. He is a direct descendent of Hugo de Blakykeston of Norton. This is an opportunity for those members of the family who believe they are connected to the Durham family to scientifically confirm that connection.

Re: Blackstone DNA Project

RamonaGayleWoods50  (View posts) Posted: 30 Apr 2005 1:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Armstrong, Stodgill, Blackstone
Good Morning,
Chris, thank you for the update. My Ancestor is also Argyle Blackstone and his wife Elizabeth Armstrong-their dau Ann married James Stodgill:
http://thomjoy.org/Sturgill/I0011.html
You can read Argyle's Will here:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/9423/argoll.html
Best,
Ramona


Re: Blackstone DNA Project

Chris  (View posts) Posted: 5 May 2005 11:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blakiston
A further update on the DNA study. David Blakiston's results are back. Fab results for me, first set of evidence indicating a link with the Yorkshire Blakestons/Blackstones and the Blakiston's of Durham

Re: Blackstone DNA Project

Christopher Atkinson  (View posts) Posted: 22 Jun 2005 6:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blackstone, Blackiston
Hi Folks,

Just to let you know I've updated the website for recent DNA results. Both the results page, discussion page and table page.

I'm absolutely delighted with the new results. They conclusively confirm the connection between my cousin Michael and David Blakiston. To-date it has always been assumed (from lack of evidence) that the Yorkshire & Durham families were unconnected. This shows that to be untrue.

Of importance here the Durham & Yorkshire families account by far for the vast bulk of Blackstone/Blakiston individuals.

Just a summary of the stats for David & Mike: There is an 87 % chance that Mike is descended from Hugo de Blaykeston who was alive in 1341. This can be broken down into a 61% probability that Mike's earliest known ancestor (Thomas d, 1543) was connected with Hugo's family within the previous 100 yrs (4 generations) ie 1400-1500. 26% chance within the previous 100 yrs ie 1300-1400. A 13% probability that the common ancestor is not Hugo but one of his forebears. Future results should pin this down further.

In the meantime Jim has upgraded from 25 to 37 markers. To confirm or deny a possible connection with a Scots family by the name of Nesbitt.

On a personnal level both the Blackstone, & Atkinson DNA studies which I'm connected to, have fulfilled all the goals I set. I'm delighted. If I'm disappointed it is at how slow it has been getting people to take part. Despite my best efforts. I would really like it that all participants receive the benefits. I do think it's only a question of time. A time will come when any self respecting
genealogist will see the benefits and want to gain scientific evidence for their research. in the same way that we purchase certificates now. I'm sure that it is just time. I'm hoping the conference in Sept will gain some recruits and further move the project forwards.

In the meantime I've finished a book on William Collins Blakiston's family. I've almost completed a book on the Yorkshire Blakeston's.
All the best,
Chris

Re: Blackstone DNA Project

Chris  (View posts) Posted: 25 Jun 2005 6:28PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blakistone, Seaton, Blackstone, Killinghall
Hi All,

Roger Blakiston known descendent of the Seaton Family has signed up for a 37 Marker test. He & David represent the two main branches of the Blakiston/Blackstone families as recognized by Burke's Peerage. Their common ancestor being Thomas Blakiston 1440-83 & Joan Killinghall. It is from Roger's family that the Bishopwearmouth & Sunderland families are believed to be descended.

Re: Blackstone DNA Project

Chris Atkinson  (View posts) Posted: 26 Jun 2005 2:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blackstone
I thought people might be interested in this post script I've added to my website discussing the surnames origins:

"Post Script: Recent DNA results are informing our understanding of the names origins. The two largest family groups of Durham and Yorkshire now appear to be connected. This reduces my original estimates of 5 family groups down to 4 plus the Russian/Polish families mentioned above.

Both the Durham & Yorkshire family surname, therefore, is ‘locative’, deriving from the name off the Manor of Blakeston at Norton. MacGlashan believes this, in turn, is probably a combination of the Old English tun (farm) with a Scandinavian personal name. Therefore: ‘the farm of Bleik’."

Re: Blackstone DNA Project

Chris Atkinson  (View posts) Posted: 9 Aug 2005 7:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blackstone, Blackiston, Blakeston, Blakiston & Blaxton
Further DNA results back. Possibly indicating a link between Argyle Blackstone and the Nesbitt family of Scotland. See my Website Family Four:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/christopher.atkinson700/docs/Di...
Cheers,
Chris

Unexpected conundrum.

Chris Atkinson  (View posts) Posted: 23 Aug 2005 8:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Some liken a 'One-Name study', to one huge jigsaw. I tend to think
of it more in the way of setting out a map. With the individuals as
islands, families as groups of islands and degrees of family
connection depicted as geographical proximity. With this as a
metaphor then traditional family history techniques and subsequent
paper trails can be likened to early map making which produced such
works as 'The Map of Mundi'. As cartography has developed, and with
aids such as satellite photography, our early maps have evolved.
Missing areas have been filled in, coastlines redrawn, maps revised
and rewritten.

Using this analogy DNA studies offer the means by which the accuracy
of the map can be improved and likewise will lead to some revision.

Already the Blackstone DNA study is promising to do this. A result
has come back to-day that requires some such revision and presents
further questions - a puzzle to unravel!

David has a well documented line back to George Blakiston & Mary
Bourchier. The line has been rigorously traced back and it is
recognized by 'Burke's Peerage', that George was the Grandson of
John Blakiston & Elizabeth nee Bowes. Therefore a descendent of Hugo
bn circa 1300.

Mike has a line traceable to abt 1500 in Yorkshire. David & Mike
have been shown via DNA to be distantly connected. This distant
connection is useful as it indicates that their Surname has passed
on from father to son for many generations. Probably to the origin
of the surname.

Now, the puzzle: Roger's results came back today. His paper trail
leads to the Seaton family of Blakiston. He & David are believed to
both descend from Thomas Blakiston of Blakiston d. 1483. This
research has been well accepted. Here's the problem. The DNA shows
no connection between the 2 of them. There are a number of
possibilities for this 1) the belief that the Seaton family descend
from Norton family may be untrue. We may have two Durham based
families who independently took the surname but have different
roots. 2) There is a non-paternity event in Roger's paper trail.
That is did one of his ancestors take the surname by adoption or
inherit the name from the female line. In for example: an
illegitimacy. If so how far back? 3) Was David's ancestor George
truly the grandson of John Blakiston & Elizabeth nee Bowes? Or is
he descended from a Yorkshire family that is unconnected to Durham?

How can we answer these riddles?

1) Regarding how far back Roger's Blakiston ancestral line goes. This
can be determined if other testees come forward with the same
surname but a distant connection. Maxwell's results are back in
about a month. His papertrail points (not confirmed) to a Seaton
connection. It goes back to about 1710. If he connects with Roger
then this would take the surname back to pre this time.
2) There is a large family of Blackstones in the USA believed to be
direct descendents of George Blackiston & Barbara nee Lawson. George
was the grandson of John Blakiston & Elizabeth nee Bowes. Therefore
they should be kin of David's ancestor. If members of this family
come forwards to test their results could be very enlightening.

A similar riddle exists in the Yorkshire family. Also revealed by
the DNA study. Hopefully some clarity on this latter riddle will be
evident in the next month.

I hope this is as much interest to others as it is to me. The DNA
tests are certainly beginning to rewrite the family map.

Cheers,
Chris
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