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Beryl_Pendley  (View posts) Posted: 7 Jun 2008 6:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Murray/Rudelhoff
I am seeking any descendants of James Pulteney Murray and his wife Dinah (nee Rudelhoff).
James and Dinah were married at Hobart Town, Tasmania on 29the December 1836.

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jeffoliver1964  (View posts) Posted: 1 Oct 2008 7:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi
Dinah Rudelhoff born in London?? If so I have lots of information. She went missing around the time you say.

Reply soon

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Beryl_Pendley  (View posts) Posted: 1 Oct 2008 8:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
The Dinah I refer to was born in London 1st September 1816, the daughter of Heinrich Anton Rudelhoff and his wife Mary Rudelhoff nee Reger

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jeffoliver1964  (View posts) Posted: 1 Oct 2008 9:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Do you have the information about Dinah in 'The Story of a great Steel Firm'? Dinah plays a major part in this and when I came across your request today I was intrigued as I have information that Dinah died in around 1836 but seems that she may have been 'hidden' from view.

Jeff

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Beryl_Pendley  (View posts) Posted: 1 Oct 2008 10:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Yes, I have seen the Steel Firm info. There has been a mystery as to why she went to Australia at such a young age - maybe she was in disgrace? It is hard to imagine why her parents allowed her to undertake what was in those days quite a dangerous journey.
I have no idea what happened to her after her marriage, though I have heard that she managed a theatre in Australia. I have also heard that she may have visited England at some point. I have no idea where or when she died. Do you know if she had any children by Mr Murray?
I would be grateful for any in formation to add to the family tree.
Regards
Beryl

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jeffoliver1964  (View posts) Posted: 2 Oct 2008 4:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
In thge Steel Firm Info it outlines why Dinah was in disgrace as she was 'with child' out of wedlock. Reputedly her illegitimate son was Edgar Allen who owned the Imperial Steel works in Sheffield. I can email you a copy if its any use. My Rudelhoff ancestors were Henry John Rudelhoff and one of his daughters, Sophia, is the direct line to me.

Regards
Jeff
My email is oliver.sibley@btopenworld.com

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Beryl_Pendley  (View posts) Posted: 2 Oct 2008 4:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have been told the same story about Dinah and her son - it seems to fit.
I am descended from Frederick John (born 1814) and his wife Sarah Ward.
I believe Heinrich Anton was born in Osnabruck in 1776 but whether the Steel Firm info is correct about his distant ancestors has yet to be proved.
Recently I did some research in the London Metropolitan Archives and found the baptism of Mary Reger. Census returns gave her birthplace as Bermondsey and my research produced the following:
Mary Reger was born 25th July 1782, the daughter of Michael and Mary Reger (Cooper residing in Bermondsey Street) and was bapt at St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey on 1st Sept 1782. Mary had a younger brother, William Reger, who was bapt at the same church 7 Aug 1785.
Do you know if Dinah and James had any children or where and when she died?
Regards
Beryl

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jeffoliver1964  (View posts) Posted: 2 Oct 2008 6:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
I don't know anything about inah other than that Steel Story. Have you any more info or copies of Mary Reger (I thought it was Rugen?)

Jeff

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Beryl_Pendley  (View posts) Posted: 2 Oct 2008 7:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have been researching the Rudelhoffs for decades. The first thing I researched was the marriage of HAR and Mary Reger. I have a photocopy of the marriage entry and had always believed it to be Reger. A few months ago I was given a coy of the steel book and was puzzled as to why they thought it was Rugen when the entry in the parish register clearly says Reger.
Anyway my recent research into her birth and baptism clears this up as those entries in Bermondsey clearly say Reger too.
Another puzzle is Michael Reger's occupation - steel book says tailor whereas when Mary was born he was a cooper.

When I was a child my grandmother told me that HAR was a soldier in the Prussian army but other members of the family think he came from Latvia and the Steel book says
Poland and before that Russia.
Lot of research still to be done.

Beryl


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