Would any lister have any information on this marriage in Bedminster, April 1892 between Alfred William Toose and Amorah Risdon.
I am unable to trace any offspring or death notice of Amorah.
I do know that Alfred re-married in Pontypool, Wales in 1897.

Any help would be appreciated
regards
Douglas Beddie

Hi Douglas,

Not to sure what exactly you need. In BMD there is
Marriages Jun 1892

RISDON Amorah Alice Bedminster 5c 1228
Toose Alfred William Bedminster 5c 1228

what more do you need re this marriage as your query is not to exact.

rgds bob

Hello Douglas

Found two children born in Bedminster with the surname of Toose
Elizabeth May Toose 1892 Bedminster 5c 667 Dec quarter
Frederick Norman Toose 1894 Bedminster 5c 680 June Quarter
This may be two of their children.
Picked this up may be another line of thought that a family emigrated with the Name Toose to Wellington New Zealand.

Regards

John/Christine

From a Web-Site

Alfred William Toose
Birth: 7 May 1872 in Exeter
Death: 1 Jan 1948 in Cwmbran, Wales
Father: John Toose b. 1828 in Exeter
Mother: Jane Margaret Wright b. 1835 in Manchester, England
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Spouses & Children

Alice Richards (Wife) b. 27 Dec 1877 in Caerleon, Wales

Children:
Eva Florence Toose b. 27 Feb 1898
Charles Henry Toose b. 26 Jul 1899
Edith May Toose b. 22 Feb 1901
Alfred Ernest Toose b. 26 Aug 1902
Daisy Maud Toose b. 22 May 1905
William Charles Toose b. 7 May 1907
Herbert Henry Toose b. 22 Aug 1910
Frederick Harold Toose b. 25 Feb 1913
Arthur Ronald Toose b. 29 Jun 1915
Melvin Clarence Toose b. 27 Apr 1918 in Llantarnam, Newport. (Mon.) Wales
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1901 Census
Albert W Tooze: Age 30: Occ Cutter Boot Trade: Born Bristol
Ada F Tooze: Age 31: Born Bristol
Eveline F Tooze: age 3: Born Bristol
Albert H Tooze: age 2: Born Bristol

Address:
21 Thomas St, Bristol

Brian

Thank you Brian, This is indeed the family of his second marriage to Alice Richards.
It is details of his bride Amorah Risdon in 1892 that seem to be illusive, apart from the wedding certificate.

Thank you for your help

kind regards
Douglas

Thank you for your help Christine. The children that you mention are listed on the 1901 cencus to a William and Elizabeth Toose. Their entry is a mistaken T and the name is listed as Loose.

It is further information on Amorah Risdon, Alfreds first wife that seems to be a bit elusive.

Many thanks
regards
Douglas.

ps. Tooses did emigrate to Australia in the early 18th and I am searching for that link too.

Thank you Bob, I too have found this, but I was looking for more information on the name Amorah and the Risdon clan.
I know her father was Edward Risdon and his occupation was Labourer, according to the marriage certificate, but it does not state whether he is deceased or not. Would the name Amorah be shortened or maybe replaced by a pet name since I cannot find this family in any of the Cencus records.
Any thoughts?

kind regards
Douglas

Hi Douglas

I think we need some more info from the Marriage Cert ref Amorah.
How old was she on the cert in 1892 ?
How old was Alfred in 1892 ?

Brian

Hello Douglas - have been following this with a little interest although I am not connected to this family.

Just a little off the wall thought - have you thought it might be a version of Honorah?

There is an Edward RISDON, labourer, in Bristol at about the right time with a daughter Honorah (Norah). Not sure the age would be right as she seems to have been born around 1877 but might be worth a thought.

Apologies if you have already looked into this.
Regards, Patsy - New Zealand

Thank you Patsy. I had never heard of the christian name Amorah before and could not trace backwards or forwards, so I felt sure that there must have been a pet name.
At the time of her marriage she was 26 so she would have been born around 1866.
Alfred re-married in 1897 so I presume that Amorah had died within that 5 year period but I don't know and Freecen hasn't come up with anything.

Thank you for your suggestion. It is much appreciated

regards
Douglas

Hi Brian,
The marriage cert. states that Amorah Alice RISDON aged 26 and a spinster, occupation was a dressmaker and living in Hereford Street, I presume in the Parish of Bedminster.
Alfred was aged 23, a bachelor and his occupation was a carpenter, and living at Sydney Villa, Hereford Street, again I presume Bedminster.
The 1891 cencus shows Alfred and his brother Charles in Bedminster.

Thank you for your help and interest
regards
Douglas

Hi Douglas,

Have you thought about joining the Bristol and District mailing list. wow are they a great bunch of knowledgeable people and are really really helpful. Its a rootsweb group and you can get listed on rootsweb.com

rgds

Bob

Thank you Bob. I was having difficulty with the outlook express and my applications would not send.
I will try again.

Thank you
regards
Douglas

Hi Douglas
I could not find a Birth Registration for Amorah ? between 1864-67 inc in the GRO !
I couldn't find her in the Census either.

Brian

Thanks for looking too Brian. This one is going to slip the net I think. I presume that she was known as something else and used her "Sunday" name for the marriage cert.
Since Alfred re-married in 1897 I thought Amorah may have died between 1892 and 1897, but alas I still can't find anything.

all the best
Douglas

Hi Douglas,
To be honest, I am not convinced that Alfred had re-married.
Perhaps there are two Alfreds ?
In the 1897 Marriage, his name is down as just Alfred with the name William missing !
Did the Marriage Cert (1897) have him down as Widower ?
The names on the Web-site I gave you, had NO previous Family in it.
Sorry for keeping on.

Brian

Hi Brian
At first I was of the same thoughts but I obtained the marriage cert. from GRO and all the information matches. His father was named John TOOSE, his occupation was a Poulterer. Alfreds occupation was a Carpenter. All that matches except his age. The cert says 23, infact he was born in 1872 and would have only been 20, and his father was deceased by 1892 but the cert. does not say that.

The second cert. of 1897 in the District of Pontypool tells me that he is a BACHELOR aged 26, a carpenter and his father named John TOOSE (deceased) but his occupation is given as a carpenter too, which is actually incorrect.

I am now convinced that they are the same person. I just wondered what happended to Amorah. There does not appear to have been any children. She may have died in childbirth, but I can find no trace.

The second marriage bore 10 children.

Thanks again for your interest
regards
Douglas

Hi Douglas
I think I am going to upset you again unintentially !
If a person decides to get married, and that person is under 21 years of age, they need to get permission from the parent to allow it. This would be stated on the Certificate.
If that person lied about his/her birth (ie under age and without parental permission) that marriage would/could be classed as void !
On the marriage Cert, they have two choices on status. Batchelor or Widower for the man, and Spinster or Widow for the female.
On the marriage Cert, if the father is deceased, it would have to say so.
On every Cert there is a caution.

"There are offences relating to falsifying a Certificate and using or possessing a false Certificate"

Your thoughts ?

Brian

Hi Douglas
I think I am going to upset you again unintentially !
If a person decides to get married, and that person is under 21 years of age, they need to get permission from the parent to allow it. This would be stated on the Certificate.
If that person lied about his/her birth (ie under age and without parental permission) that marriage would/could be classed as void !
On the marriage Cert, they have two choices on status. Batchelor or Widower for the man, and Spinster or Widow for the female.
On the marriage Cert, if the father is deceased, it would have to say so.
On every Cert there is a caution.

"There are offences relating to falsifying a Certificate and using or possessing a false Certificate"

Your thoughts ?

Brian

Well Brian, for whaterever the reason, the cert. says what is says.

I do appreciate your time over this one, but it still leaves the queestion of what happened over that 5 year period.

No family folklore has been passed on.

Thanks again
regards
Douglas

I could not find a death registration for Amorah between 1892-97 inc

Brian