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bcgenie_1  (View posts) Posted: 1 May 2012 5:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blair, chouinard
Looking for any information about children of Robert Blair and Adeline Chouinard. My grandfather was Joseph Albert his siblings were Marie Jeanne Elisa, Marie Anne Marianne, Marie Caroline Alice Carry, Joseph David, and Euchre. There may have been others, Adeline states in a 1910 Census in New Hampshire that 12 children were born, but 6 living in 1910. Any information would be great.

Re: Blair/Chouinard

hrw30  (View posts) Posted: 6 May 2012 7:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Found this:

Robert Joseph Blair married Adeline Chouinard on 9 august 1864 in Lotbiniere, St-Eduard. He was the son of David Blair and the late Caroline
and Adeline was the daughter of the late Oliver Chouinard and Archange Vaillancourt

children listed in same parish
Marie Jeanne Elise Blair, bap on 8 Dec 1865
Marie Flore Blair, bap 16 Dec 1966
Joseph Albert Blair, bap 16 July 1868
Marie Anne Blair, bap 25 Sep 1870
Marie Caroline Alice Blair, bap17 Dec 1871
Joseph Hugues Blair, bap 23 July 1873
Joseph David Blair, bap 25 Dec 1874 Died 1 Sept 1875
Joseph David Blair, bap 12 Aug 1876

No other children listed.

Adeline Blair, age 59 remarried on 6 Mar 1905 in Manchester, New Hampshire to Edmond Blais age 60. Her parents were Oliver Chouinard and Agnes Vaillancourt, his Louis Blais and Scholastique Bernier.

Other children may have been born after the birth of Joseph David, but I don't know where they are at that time. Adeline stated she immigrated in 1880, but they are listed in the 1881 Canadian census. Find no record for Robert's death in NH records or in Quebec.

Other children could have been born and died in a different place, or miscarried. But there are more listed here then the original 6 so I hope it helps.

Re: Blair/Chouinard

bcgenie_1  (View posts) Posted: 7 May 2012 3:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you, I did already have this information, my problem is finding where the kids other than my grandfather went. Robert died in Wisconsin in 1893,I did find his death record, I did have a hard time finding him but family stories from my childhood came in handy. He was working in a logging camp in Fon du Lac, and the family story was that he died in a logging accident. I finally found him in a logging camp in the 1880 US census. I also noted Adeline saying she arrived in 1880 but in another census she did say 1883, which fits. I know that my grandfather Albert and my grandmother lived in Cahoes and at least 2 or 3 of their children were born there before they moved to North Adams MA. No idea when my grandfather arrived. Thanks again for replying.

Re: Blair/Chouinard

hrw30  (View posts) Posted: 7 May 2012 4:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Well, I wish I could have helped more. Will continue to look. In the meantime, I found two more children born to the couple:

Jessie Blair b. 31 Dec 1883, Chippewa Falls, Chippewa,Wisconsin
Lidia Blair, 31 Dec 1883, Chippewa Falls, Chippewa, Wisconsin

Apparently these are twins.

Back later if I find anything out.

Re: Blair/Chouinard

bcgenie_1  (View posts) Posted: 7 May 2012 6:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
The 2 you found in Chippewa Falls are not the children of Adeline and my Robert, I made that mistake awhile ago. They are the children of Robert Blair and Jane Fowler, a totally different Robert, I have been in communication with the gr. grandson of that Robert. As far as I know Adeline never lived in Wisconsin. Family stories said that she went there, didn't like it and went back to Canada. I think she may have gone for Roberts burial, or to bring him back to Canada, I cannot find where he was buried. Thanks again

Re: Blair/Chouinard

ginetteone  (View posts) Posted: 12 May 2012 1:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
Do you have this

Hughie Blair
titles & terms:
event: Marriage
event date: 20 Apr 1903
event place: New Bedford, Massachusetts
gender: Male
age: 29
marital status:
race:
birth date:
birthplace:
marriage registration year:
marriage registration place:
estimated birth year: 1874
father: Robert Blair
father's titles & terms:
mother: Adeline Choinard
mother's titles & terms:
spouse: Raclise Marcotte
spouse's titles & terms:
spouse's race:
spouse's marital status:
spouse's father: Francois Marcotte
spouse's father's titles & terms:
spouse's mother: Ida Morrisette
spouse's mother's titles & terms:
record number: 25
film number: 2057587
digital folder number: 4267381
image number: 00497

Ginette

Re: Blair/Chouinard

bcgenie_1  (View posts) Posted: 14 May 2012 4:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for the information on Hughie, I had seen the name somewhere in my searching but he wasn't in the 1881 Canadian census so I wondered if he was one of mine. I can now add him to my tree. Thanks again.
Jeanne

Re: Blair/Chouinard

dollphylli  (View posts) Posted: 16 May 2012 8:17AM GMT
Classification: Query
Looking for any information about children of Robert Blair and Adeline Chouinard. My grandfather was Joseph Albert his siblings were Marie Jeanne Elisa, Marie Anne Marianne, Marie Caroline Alice Carry, Joseph David, and Euchre. There may have been others, Adeline states in a 1910 Census in New Hampshire that 12 children were born, but 6 living in 1910. Any information would be great.http://www.zerom3i.org

Re: Blair/Chouinard

daciodan  (View posts) Posted: 17 May 2012 6:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
bcgenie_1,

This is a very challenging search and reconstruction, even for experienced researchers.

I viewed your tree data and put a comment on your tree about what I believe to be an error. There are same named persons, born in the same time frame, it's takes time and plotting geographically to insure you're following the correct line.

There are other inconsistencies I see in your tree (and other public trees) in particular the death data (record) for a Robert Blair. I believe you're citing this record in your tree, is that correct?

(source; familysearch.org "Wisconsin, Deaths and Burials, 1835-1968,"):

Name: Robert Blair
Gender: Male
Burial Place: Rosendale Cemetery
Death Date: 02 Nov 1883
Death Place: Rosendale, Fond Du Lac, Wisconsin
Age: 73
Birth Date: 1810 ***********
Birthplace: Scotland
Occupation: Farmer
Race: White
Marital Status: Married
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B59602-3
System Origin: Wisconsin-EASy
Source Film Number: 1310183
Reference Number: 1964

The age of this Robert Blair you believe to be the husband of Adeline Chouinard is off by 30 years. Your Robert Blair is confirmed to have been born in 1840 and in Canada, therefore this is most likely NOT the death record for yours. Perhaps this Robert Blair is related in some manner, but he was not the husband of Adeline Chouinard.

I would venture record below might be a more likely suspect record to research, to rule in or out. The age and birth year of this Robert Blair are more consistent with the one you seek.

Name: Robert Blair
Gender: Male
Death Date: 26 Nov 1901
Death Place: Iron River, Bayfield, Wisconsin
Age: 65
Birth Date: 1836
Occupation: Lumber Scaler
Race: White
Marital Status: Unknown
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B06541-2
System Origin: Wisconsin-EASy
Source Film Number: 1310172
Reference Number: cn 1274

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From the data I'm finding, I believe the Robert Blair/Adeline Chouinard family were definitely in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin, probably immigrating there first from Canada after the 1881 Canadian Census. They appear to have only been in that area for a few years, they appear to have left that area by 1885. I see no evidence they were ever in the Fond du lac County.

There is enough evidence to assert the twin girls, Jessie & Lydia (listed by hrw30 above) were their children, as well as another record found for a Marie Louise, b 1882, and an infant (gender unknown) born and died in 1884, all in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. The fate of the twins is not known, however civil vital records for this period in Wisconsin are not comprehensive. The transcribed records on familysearch.org are solid in attribution of the mother, Adeline Chouinard. I don't see the name Jane Fowler, I see Adeline Chouinard in these records.

Another piece of evidence that places the family in this time period in Chippewa, Wisconsin is:

The eldest daughter, Marie Jeanne Elise "Jane" (b 1865), married Alfred Leduc in 1884 in Chippewa Falls, Chippewa, Wisconsin. That makes it highly likely she was in the company of her parents/family in that location in that time period. Again, the transcribed marriage record on familysearch.org has the mothers name, see below.

Groom's Name: Alfred Leduc
Groom's Birthplace: Canada
Bride's Name: Joanna Blair
Bride's Birthplace: Lathbiniere, Canada
Marriage Date: 06 May 1884
Marriage Place: Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin
Groom's Father's Name: Joseph Leduc
Groom's Mother's Name: Clara Grandmaitre
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Blair
Bride's Mother's Name: Adelina Choninard
Groom's Race: White
Bride's Race: White
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00343-8
System Origin: Wisconsin-EASy
Source Film Number: 1275831
Reference Number: p 258 cn 00935

Another interesting puzzle piece is that a son of Jane Blair (b 1865) and Alfred Leduc, "Louis Ira Leduc", (b 1888), states he was born in Cohoes, New York in his US WW1 draft registration. It appears his mother was in Cohoes for his birth, but returned to Wisconsin before the birth of the next child in 1891. All this kind of data can help you hone a specific timeline and location to look for more records.

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Another interesting find is the (son of Robert & Adeline) David Blair, (b 1876) signed up for military service in Canada in 1918. He gives his residence as Manchester, New Hampshire, and lists his mother, Adeline, as next of kin and as living in Manchester, NH. He states his martial status in 1918 as single.

Adeline's second husband, Edmond Blais, died in 1919 in Manchester, New Hampshire. (note: he was originally from the same locale in Quebec as Adeline). He is listed as married on his death record.

I haven't found Adeline in a 1920 Census, she is noted in the 1920 entry in the Manchester, New Hampshire City Directory, with her deceased husband, but is not present in the 1921 Manchester, New Hampshire City Directory.

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The obit of (son, Robert & Adeline) Albert J Blair (b 1868, d 19 Dec 1936), (your direct ancestor) states his sole surviving sibling is Hugh Blair of New Bedford, MA. This may or may not be true, but that's at least gives you an idea that all other siblings most likely preceded him in death.

Hugh Blair and "Euchre" (per the 1881 Canadian Census) are one in the same person.

It may well be true Adeline returned to Canada after the death of her 1st husband. I haven't found evidence of that in searching Canadian records from 1890 to 1905 that supports this. I've been looking for marriages or deaths of her children. Adeline connected at some point with Edmound Blais, obviously prior to marrying him in 1905. he appears to have immigrated to New Hampshire around 1893. I would track him further.

Family stories, especially of this vintage and passed down are not reliable, but can give you clues. The facts lie in the paper trail, some of which can be found on-line, some can't. You'll have to dig deeper than what is available on-line if you want to sort this out, that much I can advise. This is not an easy reconstruction, there was plenty of movement and that makes it a challenge to track, but there are all sorts of clues to your puzzle to find.

One of the obits I would try and find is of the eldest daughter, Jane (Blair) Leduc (b 1865). I tracked her last in 1930 in Virginia, St Louis, Minnesota, and it appears her husband may have died there in 1931. I didn't find a death record for her in Minnesota. I would suspect she went to reside with one of her daughters, one ended up in California (Alexina), but Laura remains MIA, I haven't figured out who she married, she was single and in the household of her parents in 1910.

See the documentation in the tree I posted a link to on another of your posts.

Re: Blair/Chouinard

hrw30  (View posts) Posted: 17 May 2012 6:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
As usual....you have done an incredible job in tracking and confirming records in this family line.

Though it was not my posting, I would like to thank you for posting this. Much appreciated...........
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