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iamdad25  (View posts) Posted: 9 Mar 2012 9:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Is there an accepted standard name for the top level location of Massachusetts prior to the Declaration of Independence? For example, I have recently noticed some people using a naming convention like the following:

1649 to 1691: Medfield, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colony, British America
1691-1777: Medfield, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Province, British America
1777-1793: Medfield, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States
1793-present: Medfield, Norfolk, Massachusetts, United States

This convention uses "British America." That might be an acceptable generic name, as might be "Colonial America." However, is the term "British" technically correct before 1707 when England and Scotland united and became "Great Britain?" Prior to that, it seems that "New England" might be the best choice. The 1620 charter mentions the term "New-England in America," and frequently uses the shortened term "New England." These same terms are used pretty consistently in the 1629 charters for New Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay.

Thanks!

Re: Historical place names

bbffrrpp  (View posts) Posted: 11 Mar 2012 2:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,

Other, more serious researchers would need to answer your questions. But, I would only state "Massachusetts Bay Colony" and not include other titles.

And, I was going to comment that we did not have "provinces" in our part of North America. But, I just looked up "MA Bay Colony" on-line and found references I had forgotten about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Massachusetts_Bay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Bay_Colony

Betty (near Lowell, MA)

(Board Administrator)



P.S.

Different researchers refer to "Maine" before 1820 in different ways. I usually refer to the 1700's having "the Northern Territory of Massachusetts." But I was told recently that's not the correct designation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Maine

(I notice a tiny mistake in that page. "New Brunswick" didn't exist until 1784. That land was part of "Nova Scotia" up until then. I learned that when I started researching my ancestor, Calvin KIDDER, b1765 NH. He had followed other NH families up to Canada ~1783. (He was not a Loyalist or Sympathizer but traveled with them - possibly because of a girlfriend at Age 18.) When I mention him in postings, it is easier for me to say he arrived in New Brunswick in 1784 - rather than trying to explain that in 1783 he was arriving in Nova Scotia.)

Re: Historical place names

iamdad25  (View posts) Posted: 12 Mar 2012 4:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you Betty! I appreciate your reply. I am afraid I did a poor job of stating my question. I am trying to figure out what to list as the highest level of the location (usually the country). Should it be ...

British America
Colonial America
New England

... or something else?

Re: Historical place names

Dale_H_Cook  (View posts) Posted: 1 Apr 2012 12:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
It all depends upon the year and the precise location. The original New England colonies were New Plymouth Colony (established 1620), the Province of Maine (established 1622, the Province of New Hampshire was seperated from it in 1629), and the Massachusetts Bay Colony (established 1630). The Plymouth, Maine and Massachusetts colonies were merged in 1691 to form the royal colony of Massachusetts.

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Re: Historical place names

iamdad25  (View posts) Posted: 2 Apr 2012 7:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
The principle that I try to follow is to use the correct name that was in effect at the time of the event. As Dale says ... "It all depends upon the year and the precise location." I agree.

There are others who just list current names, or use names that might be more widely understood. For example, Betty mentions that she takes a different approach in “postings” because "it is easier to say ... rather than trying to explain." Yes, that can sometimes make communication easier.

I understand all of these approaches. In conversation I will use whatever method helps to communicate. However, my quandry is deciding what to use in my "official" genealogical records to refer to pre-1777 lands in what is now the USA.

Usually the challenge is identifying historical place names by date for the cities, towns, counties, colonies, provinces, etc. Those are all subdivisions of a larger whole. Both Betty's and Dale's replies deal with this challenge. I understand that it might be appropriate to use...

New Plymouth Colony, as of 1620
Province of Maine, as of 1622
Province of New Hampshire, as of 1629
Massachusetts Bay Colony, as of 1630
And maybe even "Royal Colony of Massachusetts," as of 1691.

However, none of that is my present question. As I see it, all of those subdivisions were part of something larger. I want to figure out and standardize that higher level. Personally I like the term "New England" for everything between Long Island Sound and Newfoundland. One of the questions I ask myself is “how would an official living in the day of the event have referred to the place?” That is why I look at documents, like the actual charters. The 1620 charter mentions the term "New-England in America," and frequently uses the shortened term "New England." These same terms are used pretty consistently in the 1629 charters for New Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay. However, if I use that, then I will have similar problems with the "Middle colonies" or the "Southern Colonies," etc.

I have noticed that Wikipedia has taken to using "British America" as a term that collects all of the areas together. You will see that in each of these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Colonies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Colonies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_America
I have also seen that one of the genealogy software vendors, Roots Magic, is using “British America” in its new CountyCheck feature. (See this for some discussion: http://forums.ancestry-world.com/archive/index.php/t-9856.ht...) And I have found recent trees in which people are using that as a standard.

Now, in the present, if we refer to “British America” in conversation, we probably all understand what, when and where we are talking about. So, using that as the overall place name before 1777 might make sense. However, it seems like the term “British America” could not be correctly applied until 1707 when England and Scotland united and became "Great Britain." (I am not a historian, so my conclusions could be way off.) Prior to that, the colonial lands “belonged” to the sovereign state of England, not “Britain.”

The more I think about it, I am leaning towards “Colonial America.” That might eliminate having to know all of the political histories of the ruling powers (England, Spain, France, Netherlands, etc.). So, all of the lands of the 13 colonies could be “Colonial America” for 3 centuries, until the United States was official.

Re: Historical place names

Dale_H_Cook  (View posts) Posted: 3 Apr 2012 11:02AM GMT
Classification: Query
> As I see it, all of those subdivisions were part of something larger.

They were all part of Great Britain, but using that for a colonial location in New England would be as unspecific as using "Great Britain" as the location for someone buried in Mickfield, Suffolk, England at about the same time.

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

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