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Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

pettitde  (View posts) Posted: 11 Aug 2006 3:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: DENTON, WILSON, DAVIDSON, COURPALAIS, JOHNSON
Hello,

I am interested in hearing from anyone who has an interest in coffee growing in India.

I am particularly interested in the Kulhutty Estate, which lay in the Nilgiris Hills and bordered the Kulhutty Falls. This estate was run by the WILSON/HEWITT family from about 1896 through to at least 1981. Prior to this time, the family names associated with its ownership include DENTON and DAVIDSON and possibly JOHNSON and COURPALAIS.

Further, I am interested in hearing from families who may have worked on this or other estates in the area and who can provide me with information about the coffee growing process and life-style that when with it.

Finally, I am interested in locating the estate, which has changed hands and is probably part of a conglomerate.

If anyone can help me with this search, I would be grateful.

Dawn Pettit

Re: Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

osy1  (View posts) Posted: 7 May 2012 5:51PM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Ms Petit-I happened to come across your post on the Internet about Kulhutty Estate. I know the property well as I was a Coffee Planter in Chikmagalur District for many years. My family owned the Lalbagh Estate on the northern slopes of the Bababudan hills and we negotiated the purchase of Kulhutty Estate from the owners in 1978 but unfortunately this did not materialise as we could not agree on the price. At the time it was owned by about ten or eleven partners, the principal partners being H.N Dadabhoy, a well known business man in Madras and Ram Mahadevan who was the Inspector General of Police Madras State. The property was purchased by these partners from the Wilson/Johnson families and was for years managed by Major Hewitt. The estate was quite extensive, about six hundred acres of mature bearing Arabica coffee and about three hundred acres of dry land surrounding Kulhuttipura village. The estate had an excellent infrastructure of buildings, pulper house, staff quarters, labour houses, garages,stores, workshop, vehicles, machinery and a very attractive spacious bungalow overlooking the low lying lands. An unusual feature on the estate was a magnificent waterfall that cascaded from the Bababudan Hills and irrigation of the estate was by gravity. The waterfall was quite a sight as it could be seen from miles away as one approached Lingadhalli Village on the drive towards the Bababdan range and to Kemmangundi. During my years in the district, I used to meet the owners of the neighbouring property, Cyril Fernandes and his wife Esther and spent many an enjoyable evening at their bungalow- the name of their estate was Dentonkhan. The closest town was Tarekere and the much larger town was Shimoga. I spent many happy years in this district, which is extremely beautiful, rich in flora and fauna and I was sorry I had to leave when my family decided to sell our estate Lalbagh. The manager of Kulhutty at the time was M.M Nanaiah who I frequently met. I was also very sorry to have missed acquiring Kulhutty from Dadabhoy and Co.especially as the price disagreement was only about three hundred thousand Rupees - in hindsight perseverance would have secured the place. My family are tradtional Planters and we love the life it offered.I was familiar with all the Estates in the area - Sampigekhan,Kurkenmutty, Maskalmardi,Dodkhan/Byrekhan, Kesinvurthy,Santaveri and many others. The owners were all interesting people and the estates all had intriguing history. The De Courpalais family originally owned quite a few of the estates on the northern slopes, but unfortunately all was lost because of various reasons and the properties were either partitioned or sold.Regards and please do not hesitate to respond if you would like more information. Oswald White

Re: Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

cnormand163  (View posts) Posted: 8 May 2012 8:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
May I butt in here, please?
I am compiling a history of the Gough family. One - Joan Mary Gough (1904-1979)- married Charles Rupert Henry Cour Palais (changed to de Courpalay), in 1929. The following is the present draft entry for him:
"Captain Charles Rupert Henry (“Rupert”) de Courpalay was born, 4 May 1899, at Mysore, India. His father’s address was Sumpegay Estate, Terrikere Taluk Kodur, Mysore. He had a younger brother, Hubert Claud Hope Cour Palais (born in 1903, who was also at school with him). He was educated at Bedford School, entering the school in May 1907 and he left in November 1917. There he became a monitor and played in the 2nd XV and 2nd XI; no academic prowess was noted. According to the Bedford Old Boys’ Register, he went straight from school to the Royal Military College, Wellington, and was commissioned into the Indian Army. In the closing months of the 1st World War he served, with the 31st Cavalry in the Middle East and in India. At some stage he changed his surname to de Courpalay. We have no knowledge of his army service thereafter, but he is believed to have served with the 8th Hussars, in India, and reached the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. After he left the army he separated from his wife, and he went back to India, where he owned a coffee plantation, near Ootacamund, Mysore. He died about 1957, in India."

Can you provide any more information about him, particularly when he died, as well as anything about his life in India?
Many thanks in anticipation.
Christopher Normand



Re: Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

kevinedwin1  (View posts) Posted: 11 May 2012 9:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi osy1

Read your post with interest and wondering if you heard of Messrs. Richtor & Co. or its partners - owners of a coffee estate as well in the Nilgiris.

regards
Kevin

Re: Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

R_j_rendell  (View posts) Posted: 15 May 2012 9:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Courpalais
I believe Charles died in 1943. He had 4 children, Agnes, Robert, Albert and Nancy....are you a descendant of one of these children?

Charles' father was William Cour-Palais, married to Matilda McKay. William died in 1918. William was one of 8 children including his brother Henry of which much is written as he was a coffee plantation owner. William and brothers/ sisters were children of Charles Cour-Palais, died 1877, and Caroline Miles, died 1885. Charles' parents were Louis George's de Cour-Palais and Marie de L'Orient. Louis was son of Francois Guilbert de Courpalais.......

Re: Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

R_j_rendell  (View posts) Posted: 15 May 2012 10:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Any further information you might have on the Courpalais ownership would be much appreciated. I know Henry was in Partnership with the Dentons and he married William Denton's widow Charlotte which effectively secured the entire estate. I'm not sure Henry was marrying for love and I believe although he had no children with Charlotte, she already had her own, he did have some with other women. As far as I am aware the family were Anglo/ Indian or French/ Indian at that point and two generations below. How many above I do not know. Information on the demise or sale of the Courpalais estate would be gratefully received. Kind regards,
Richard Rendell (Courpalais)

Re: Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

cnormand163  (View posts) Posted: 15 May 2012 2:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Many thanks for your response. I am, actually, researching the Gough family, but trying to get more on the Courpalais and Courpalay connection. My information does not tie in with yours! Could there have been two Charles de Courpalay?
This is what I have on them at present:


- Joan Mary Gough [P.m] (Chart 10), born 27 June 1904, at Hyderabad, Deccan, India, baptised 13 July 1906, by the RC Bishop of the Deccan. She married, 27 September 1929, at St Theresa’s Church, Madras, India Charles Rupert Henry (“Rupert”) de Courpalay, son of Claude Richard Hope de Cour Palais, a planter in Mysore, India, and Edith Helen W….. Knight

The earliest known forbear of the de Cour-Palais or Courpalay family was Francois Guibert de Courpalais who was born in the early 1700s in France and who emigrated to Isle de Bourbon (now Reunion Island) around 1750. At some point several of the family went to India, where they became plantation owners in the southern part of the sub-continent.

Captain Charles Rupert Henry (“Rupert”) de Courpalay was born, 4 May 1899, at Mysore, India. His father’s address was Sumpegay Estate, Terrikere Taluk Kodur, Mysore. He had a younger brother, Hubert Claud Hope Cour Palais (born in 1903, who was also at school with him). He was educated at Bedford School, entering the school in May 1907 and he left in November 1917. There he became a monitor and played in the 2nd XV and 2nd XI; no academic prowess was noted. According to the Bedford Old Boys’ Register, he went straight from school to the Royal Military College, Wellington, and was commissioned into the Indian Army. In the closing months of the 1st World War he served, with the 31st Cavalry in the Middle East and in India. At some stage he changed his surname to de Courpalay. We have no knowledge of his army service thereafter, but he is believed to have served with the 8th Hussars, in India, and reached the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. After he left the army he separated from his wife, and he went back to India, where he owned a coffee plantation in the Nigiris Hills, near Ootacamund, Mysore. He died about 1957, in India.

After separating from her husband she moved to Portugal for some years. She died 8 May 1979, at Poole, Dorset. According to her death certificate she claimed to have been born in France. They had 3 sons:

1) - Herbert Claude Hope de Courpalay, who died in infancy, 24 October 1926, at Lausanne, Switzerland

2) - Charles Richard Jean Louis (“Dick”) de Courpalay (Chart 10), born 23 October 1928, at Worthing, West Sussex. He was educated at Avisford and Downside. In the early years of the 2nd World war he had a very lucky escape when a pilot under training crashed his aircraft in the grounds of Downside close to where he was standing, killing two of his friends, but he was unscathed. He served in Germany in the Royal Tank Corps during his National Service, 1947 to 1949. He emigrated to Southern Rhodesia, and joined the British South Africa Police, until he retired in 1968. He qualified as an accountant, and, then, after independence, he worked, as Bursar, at Marondera High School, before retiring, finally. He married, 18 June 1955, at Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, Jean Marion Whitehead, daughter of Newton Webster Whitehead and Lorna Plumber

Jean Marion Whitehead was born 12 December 1934 at Winterton, Natal, South Africa. She was one of eight daughters. Her family moved to Marula, near Plumtree, Rhodesia, farming cattle, mainly. She died, of cancer, 24 August 1966, at Bulawayo General Hospital, Southern Rhodesia.

He moved, in 2004, to Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia, to be closer to his married daughter. They had a son and a daughter

2.1)- David Richard de Courpalay, born 7 February 1956, at Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia. He was educated at Marondera High School, Southern Rhodesia. He was killed on active service, 4 June 1978, while serving as a Rifleman with the Rhodesian Regiment, when, due to an error in a map reference, his patrol was wiped out by the Rhodesian Air Force.

2.2)- Fiona Joan de Courpalay, born 4 October 1957, at Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia. She married, 29 March 1980, at Harare, Zimbabwe, Barry O’Dwyer, son of Arthur James Leslie Dwyer (1913-1991) and Margaret Murning (1914-2002)

Barry O’Dwyer was born, 24 February 1956, at Cape Town, Cape Province South Africa.

They emigrated to Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia in January 2000. They have 2 sons:

2.1.1) - Trevor David O’Dwyer,

2.1.2 - John de Courpalay O’Dwyer,

3)- Rupert Claude Hugh David (“Hugh”) de Courpalay (Chart 10), born 28 September 1930, in France. He emigrated to Australia about 1974. He is believed to have married twice, but had no known family. He lost touch with the family, and died in 2003.

************************


Anything you can add or amend would be gratefully received
Sincerely
Christopher Normand

Re: Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

cnormand163  (View posts) Posted: 15 May 2012 2:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Re. my earlier response
If it is easier to correspond directly, my e-mail address is c.normand@sky.com
Christopher

Re: Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

R_j_rendell  (View posts) Posted: 15 May 2012 2:51PM GMT
Classification: Query
Many thanks for this. One of the areas I have used guess work is with Charles. I have no information on Charles other that he died in 1943 and had 4 children. Does not sound like your Charles. However coffee plantations we do have in common. Henry Courpalais married his partners widow, Williams Denton's widow, Charlotte, thereby taking full ownership, by way of marriage to quiet a sizeable plantation. According to my information Henry's father was Charles Courpalais, married to Caroline Miles. Charles' father was Louis George and his father FrancoisGuilbert. Our records are only family written hence the research. Louis was the only child of Francois. Perhaps this was not the case and there is another group of Courpalais in the same area..cousins. "Hope" is an unusual name and comes up in our family line in the early 1900's.

Regards,

Richard

Re: Coffee Planters in Nilgiris Hills

cnormand163  (View posts) Posted: 15 May 2012 3:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
I think I am confused! Any idea where "your" Charles died? Is there a Claude Richard Hope de Cour-Palais in your line?

My date for Charles Rupert Henry's death is inexact (and unresearched), provided to me by his granddaughter's husband!

I cannot find any de Courpalay vital records in the FIBIS India site!

Hope we can make progress!
Christopher
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