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Look up please - marriage index

Liseyloo  (View posts) Posted: 22 Apr 2009 11:25AM GMT
Classification: Lookup
Surnames: Hawkins, Keating
Hi.

I would really love to order my GG Grandparents marriage certificate, but cannot find index anywhere. I've tried Ancestry, Free BMD, Rootsweb etc.

The details I have are:

Henry J Hawkins DOB 1880 Berkshire and
Mary Keating DOB 1879 Kingstown, Co Tipperary, Ireland

1911 UK census shows they have been married for 10 years.

We think he was serving in the Boer war 1898-1901, is it possible they were married overseas??

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for reading, Lisa (Australia)

Re: Look up please - marriage index

BrendanJoseph  (View posts) Posted: 5 May 2009 9:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Lisa,

I have checked both the English & Irish marriage records 1900/1901 no marriage record is showing for the above couple.

Just checked Kingstown which is now Dun Laoghaire, Co Dublin, what do I find a marriage Henry J Hawkins and Mary Keating.

Registration district Rathdown (that is where I live)

Jan-Mar 1901

Volume 2 page number 842

You can order the cert at:

www.groireland.ie

Brendan

Re: Look up please - marriage index

Liseyloo  (View posts) Posted: 6 May 2009 12:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Hawkins, Keating
Hi Brendan,

Thank you very much for looking this up. I can't thank you enough.

I phoned the General Register Office in the UK 2 weeks ago and paid $25 for them to do a search for me. At least now I wont be disappointed when they tell me they can't find the certificate.

Can you tell me how you found the record? Maybe you could recommend a good website for me? I'm still yet to find them on a 1901 census.

Once again, thank you so much.

Lisa
tigerden1@bigpond.com

PS: Can't believe you live in same district.















Re: Look up please - marriage index

BrendanJoseph  (View posts) Posted: 6 May 2009 7:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Lisa,

I found it here:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=...

When you get the correct year, quarter, volume no. and page number for both parties to the marriage you know you have the correct record. There is a Hawkins Street in Dublin I wonder is there any connection.

Brendan

Re: Look up please - marriage index

BrendanJoseph  (View posts) Posted: 6 May 2009 7:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
Lisa,

They are probably on the 1901 Dublin census, not yet online, but available at LDS libraries.

If you are looking for Mary Keating's birth cert use the website I gave you. In 1878/9 there were 118 Mary Keating births, but only 115 corresponding deaths, I presume she died outside Ireland, there is a Rathdown registration district birth for a Mary Keating which does not have a death record.

Mary Anne Keating Apr-Jun 1878 Volume 2 page 988

Brendan

Re: Look up please - marriage index

Liseyloo  (View posts) Posted: 6 May 2009 10:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi again Brendan.

All the info you've given me has been a great help.

Henry Hawkins was born in the UK - not sure what he was doing in Ireland 1900 - 1901? So I'm not sure about "Hawkins" street.

They must of moved to UK not long after being married, because they had their 1st child (my G Grandfather) in 1903, and he was born in London.

Henry died in 1920, I haven't found a death for Mary yet, but I would be 99% she died in UK.

I'll definitely be ordering the marriage cert, so hopefully I can find more info on the Keating family from that.

If you ever need help tracing something in Australia be sure to e-mail me.

Kindest Regards, Lisa
Melbourne Aust

Re: Look up please - marriage index

BrendanJoseph  (View posts) Posted: 6 May 2009 11:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Lisa,

Henry may have been involved in something to do with shipping, port work etc, there was a Michael Keating living in Kingstown around the same time.

Come back to me when you get the marriage cert and I will try and track down Mary's family.

Brendan

Re: Look up please - marriage index

Liseyloo  (View posts) Posted: 6 May 2009 12:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
Cool. Thanks Brendan.

email me directly at tigerden1@bigpond.com

I'm just about to fax the order for certificate.

Lisa

Re: Look up please - marriage index

Eilis_OHara  (View posts) Posted: 9 Jun 2009 3:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi LIsa,

I wonder if your ancestors actually married in Ireland. It seems somewhat inconsistent that Henry was born in Berkshire and came to Ireland to marry but went back to London for them to have their first child? Hawkins is a fairly common name in Dublin and Ireland and there were nearly two hundred of them in Dublin City around that time. Keating is a very common surname in Dublin and Ireland and there are of course at least 100 Mary Keatings in Dublin during that time.

However there is a Kingstown in County Tipperary, it's near Knockbulloge southwest of Cashel where the Rock of Cashel is. Your Mary Keating could indeed have been born in that Kingstown.

One of the challenges of researching in Ireland is that placenames are often in many counties, some even found in several locations in a county!

I would be very hesitant therefore to say that marriage in Dun Laoghaire, which was formerly Kingstown in County Dublin is your ancestor's marriage.

I would recommend that you request Mary Keating's civil birth cert from the General Register Office in Ireland http://www.groireland.ie and give them her name, date of birth and birth location in Kingstown, Co. Tipperary. They will get back to you if the birth wasn't registered.

I would recommend that you get Henry's military records which may give you locations where the couple were in their first years of marriage. They're at Kew in England in the UK Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/?WT.ac=MH...

They would give detail about Henry's locations when he was in the British military. It would also include information about his wife, where they were married, etc.

I would also look for the marriage record in England since that's where Henry was born and where their first son was born.

Also I recommend that you get Henry's civil birth cert from Berkshire. His birth information will also be in his British military record.

The birth certs for both of course will include both parents names. The marriage cert for them would include the fathers name for each which is another way to verify the connection to your specific ancestors and not some other couple with the same names.

As I said Hawkins is a common surname in Dublin and elsewhere in Ireland and there were many families with that surname. Hawkins Street in Dublin is named after Alderman William Hawkins who in 1662 built a wall there from Townsend Street to Burgh Quay to enclose the river. He received a grant of the land, and built a street, which was named after him. It was called Hawkins Quay until more land was reclaimed from the Liffey.

Regards.

Eilis O'Hara

Re: Look up please - marriage index

BrendanJoseph  (View posts) Posted: 9 Jun 2009 6:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Eilis,

I think you may not have read the earlier threads, Henry J Hawkins was born in England. He married Mary Keating Jan-Mar 1901 in Kingstown which is now Dun Laoghaire in the Rathdown registration district. There may have been a number of Hawkins living in Dublin at that time, but there was only Henry J and he married a Mary Keating.

Brendan
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