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Fastner family

Posted: 25 May 2007 8:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fastner, Niga, Hany
My ancestors are Wenzel Fastner (1841-1905) and Catherine Niga (1846-1941).

Parents of Wenzel are Johann Fastner and Magdalena Hany. The Fastner family emigrated from Neugebäu, Kreis Winterberg, Bohemia to Solka, Bukovina, sometime around 1848 or earlier.

They lived in Solka (or Glitt), Bukovina from at least 1848 to 1887.

On June 18, 1887, they immigrated to America, settling in Wisconsin (with a short stay in Yuma, Colorado).

In Wisconsin, they lived in Milwaukee (Milwaukee County), and near Athens (Marathon County) in Johnson Township (near Milan).

For more information, please see my website:
http://violetblue20.googlepages.com/home

Places they lived: http://violetblue20.googlepages.com/fastner-placestheylived

I'd like to hear from other Fastner researchers :)

~Debbie

Re: Fastner family

Posted: 28 Jun 2007 6:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi my surename is Fastner and my family comes from Neugebäu.
The first Fastner are from Glöcklberg and born 1741 and his name was Lorenz.
Here anything about Fastner but in german.

Zu Neubusk (früher Neumichlhütten) stand vor Zeiten eine Glashütte. Da kam ein Hüttenmaurer, namens Lorenz Fastner, geb. 1741 aus Glöcklberg in Südböhmen, wo ebenfalls auch Glas erzeugt wurde, nach Neubusk und arbeitete hier in der Glashütte. Er baute sich ein Wohnhaus in Neubusk #14. Er war verheiratet und hatte mehrere Kinder. Erwähnt wären:
1. Josef Fastner, geb. 1793, war Glasschmelzer in der Glashütte und wurde deswegen 'Schmeuzen-Sepp' genannt. Er war auf dem eigenen Haus #1 in Rabitzerhaid ansässig. Er war verheiratet mit Emma Saiko, geb. 1799 zu Seehaid #1, Tochter des Johann Saiko (Hons-Jokl-Johann) aus Seehaid #1 und der Eva Pscheidl aus Schwarzhaid.
2. Christoph, geb. 1789, war gleichfalls Hüttenmaurer und arbeitete als solcher in der damaligen Glashütte in Althütte (Kaltenbach). Er war verheiratet mit Hermine Häusl, geb. 1786 zu Seehaid #2, Tochter des Jakob Häusl, Erbauer des Haus #65 in Granitz.
3. Wenzl, geb. 1768, war Hüttenmaurer und arbeitete auch in der Glashütte in Neubusk als solcher. Er war mit Apollonia Sitter, geb. 1770 zu Ferchenhaid, Tochter der Katharina und Josef Sitter aus Ferchenhaid, verheiratet. Er erbte das Vaterhaus und wohnte darin, wegen seiner kleinen und gedrungenen Körpergröße wurde er von den Leuten in Verkleinerungsform gerufen und sie nannten ihn Wenzerl, daraus wurde Wenzerl und diese Bezeichnung haftete auch die ganzen folgenden Generationen auf den jeweiligen Namen und wurde stets in Verbindung mit diesen genannt, z.B. Wenzerl-Nazl, Wenzerl-Franz u.s.w.
Die Eheschließung dieser beiden erfolgte am 21. 11. 1791 in Neugebäu. Sie hatten mehrere Kinder, u.a.:
1. Ignatz, geb. 20. 1. 1816, er war Hüttenmaurer und war in der inzwischen errichteten Glashütte in Biertopfstein (Franzensthal) beschäftigt. Er wurde Erbe des Vaterhauses in Neubusk #14 und heiratete die Anna Müller, geb. 19. 2. 1823 zu Seehaid #4, Tochter des Lutschi-Sepp (Josef Müller) zu Seehaid #4 und der Maria-Elisabeth Urmann zu Seehaid #3.

Re: Fastner family

Posted: 28 Jun 2007 7:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fastner
Andreas,

Es war sehr interessant ihre email von den Fastners zu lesen. Meine forschung dieser Familie ist noch nicht abgeschlossen. Meine vorfahren Fastner gehen zurück zum 1800 zu Antoniahütte.

Ich war nur 2 mal im Archiv Wittigau (Trebon, Czech Republic).

I am not sure where Glöcklberg is located.

I don't have any documents for this, but a researcher told me the first Fastner in my line came from Lipka, Kreis Winterberg, Bohemia (Czech Republic)about 1650.

Thank you for all the information!

Debbie

Re: Fastner family

Posted: 3 Jul 2007 4:29AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fastner
Hi Debbie ,
Glöcklberg liegt direkt am Lipno- Stausee. An der Grenze zu
Österreich.
Du kannst mich auch direkt anmailen.
andreas.fastner@superkabel.de

Re: Fastner family

Posted: 18 Jul 2007 4:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fastner, Sitter, Nirschl
Hi Debbie,
I happened across your site for the family Fastner. I have complete a very complete family tree and I see where Fastner fell into my family tree by being married to a Sitter. I have my family tree on line. You can pull it up by... www.nirschl.us .... when it opens click on the little green tree in the square. You can navigate the Sitter name back in forth by clicking on the name to the right side of the screen. I am flying to Germany the first of August and will probably drive to Borova Lada (Ferchenhaid) Czech Republic. Looks like we are very distant cousins. The Nirschls came from just across the border in Bavaria. The Sitters moved into this area from CR. Then move to Pennsylvania. I am 75 years old. Living in State of Washington. Born in Minnesota. Worked in Germany 3 times and did a lot of research there. I would like to hear from you, hopefully before I leave for Germany. Philip Nirschl

Re: Fastner family

Posted: 18 Jul 2007 8:50AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fastner, Hany/Hanny, Sitter, Sittner, Selner
Hi Philip,

I can't get your website to open up today. I'll try again later.

In my database, I have a Wenzel Fastner married to Apollonia Sittner/Sitter on Nov. 21, 1791 or 1797 in Neugebäu, Kreis Winterberg, Böhmen/Bohemia. But I don't have this Fastner family connected to mine yet. I haven't found a common relative. But they are from the same town as my Fastner family.

My Fastners (Wenzel Fastner and siblings, their parents Johann Fastner & Magdalena Hany) immigrated from Neugebäu to Bukovina between 1841-1844. In 1887 they immigrated to America. I don't know if the Fastner/Sitter family also went to Bukovina - I'm assuming they didn't, but I'm not sure because I have no death dates for them.

Did you do research at the archive in Trebon, Czech Republic? That's where we found records for my Fastner family from Neugebäu.

In April 1999, I was in Borová Lada (German name Ferchenhaid), then biked to the top of the large hill on a paved road which later turned into a bumpy, non-paved road. We had to push our bikes through some snow on a path to Fürstenhut (an extinct town). Cars are not allowed to drive there, you need to walk or bike. The Czech name for Fürstenhut is Knizeci Plane. Biking took one hour.

At the top of the mountain was Fürstenhut which had no houses and no church remaining (destroyed in WWII).

There is a cemetery and a cross marking the site of the church, and a large WW II war memorial with a Fastner name. The cemetery has one "Familie Fastner" tombstone with no other names or dates. Buried here is a young man who died in Prague in a factory accident - he was an uncle of Herbert Fastner.

The WW II memorial lists Franz Fastner, 20 J (years).

You can also get to Fürstenhut by way of Bučina (Buchwald).

From the archive at Trebon, I have these notes referring to Ferchenhaid:

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Neugebäu (Novy Svet) - House number 5
Children of Franz Fastner* & Juliana Selner:
Baptism Book 2

Sept. 20, 1829 Alexander Fastner page 43
Dec. 6, 1830 Joanna Fastner page 45
April 7, 1833 Beatrix Fastner page 49
Juli 2, 1835 Josef Fastner page 52
Mai 11, 1837 Josef Nep. Fastner page 54 + in childhood
Nov. 15, 1839 Leopoldina Fastner page 58
Oct. 13, 1844 Eduard Fastner page 66

Baptism Book 3
Mai 3, 1847 Aloisia Fastner page 8
Nov. 18, 1849 Maria Fastner page 41

* Parents of Franz Fastner: Wenzel Fastner, profession: Maurer (stone worker) in Ferchenhaid, house number 14; and wife Apollonia Sitter.

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Baptism Book 3 - Neugebäu

1. Rubert Fastner, born March 11, 1848. Page 18. Parents: Ignaz Fastner, Häusler in Neubusk 14 and wife Anna Müller. Parents of Ignaz: Wenzel Fastner, Maurer in Neubusk, and Apollonia Sittner.

2. Anna Maria Fastner, born Mai 11, 1849. Page 33. Parents: Ignaz Fastner, Bauer in Seehaid 4, and Anna Müller. Parents of Ignaz: Wenzel Fastner, Häusler in Ferchenhaid, and Apollonia Sittner aus Freiung.

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Have a nice time on your trip to Germany!

Debbie

Re: Fastner family

Posted: 18 Jul 2007 5:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Debbie,

Thanks for your reply and interesting information. I did make a mistake reading the postings. When I read the one from Andreas, I was thinking that I was still reading your first posting.

I have a German friend, Erich Nirschl (Munich) [no relative] that helped me track down the information I have on Sitter/Fastner. He wrote to the various offices to gather the information that I have. I received certified copies typed in German and Czech. Since I am unable to put the accent marks on the Czech, I will give you the info without the accents. Info from: CR - STATNI OBLASTNI ARCHIV 379 11 TREBON
PhDr. Vaclav Rames reditel Statniho oblastniho archivu

Vyrizuje: PhDr. Marie Safarova
Tel: 384 721 346,511
Fax: 384 722 379
email: soatb@tiscali.cz

Snatek (mariage) Vaclay Fasner (Fastner) a Apolonia Sitter:
Tag, Monat und Jahr der Trauung: 21 November 1797
Braeutigam: (Wentzl Fasner aus Neumichlhuetten
Alter: 21 Jahre
Stand: ledig
Braut: Apolonia Sitterin, des Joseph Sitter and
Katharina, Mutter eheliche Tochter
Haeuslers aus der Neumichlhuetten,
Winterberger Herrschaft
Alter: 21 Jahre
Stand: ledig

Matrika oddanych rimsko-katolickeho farniho uradu Novy Svet, svazek 7, 1788-1846, strana 112, por.c.neuvedeno.

To avoid the long print out, in the birth records
Narozeni (birth) Johann Sitter
born 26 Mai 1796
Mutter: Apolonia Sitterin (no father listed)

It is assumed that Wentzl Fastner was the father, as she married him the next year. Interesting as Johann's family name was not changed from Sitter to Fastner. So, the name Sitter was carried down the line into my family line, instead of Fastner.

According to Andreas information in his posting, Wenzel and Apolonia had another son, Ignatz born 20 years later. ????
Andreas year dates for Wenzl and Apolonia did not match what I received from the Archives. In the old writings, it is tough to decide if it is a 1 or a 7.

Wentzl and Apolonia are my great, great, great grandparents.

Some other family names that I received information on were: Haselberger, Koschka and Bredl.

The decendants of Fastner/Sitter (Ignatz Sitter and 3 children migrated across the border to the Grafenau area of Bavaria and later to America. Ignatz's daughter, Amelia was my grandmother Nirschl.

I don't believe I will be doing any research in Bohemia. Just interested in seeing that general area where the Faster and Sitter lived.

When you try to get my family tree on the internet, you might try typing the URL in this way:

http://www.nirschl.us

I just did it and it worked fine. Once you click on the little green tree, it take a little time to open, so wait about a minute or two.

Thanks again for your information. Sounds like you had a fantistic trip over there. You found a lot of Fastners. I found the same when investigating the Nirschl name just across the border in Bavaria. Found quite a few and unable to apply all to my family line. It sure was great and I have many Nirschl fiends in Bavaria, realated to some and some not. I did most of my research in the 1960s and early 1970s when working in Germany.

Do you read and write Czech and/or German? I used to be pretty good in German, but lack practice and have forgotten most.

You sure are welcome to use my email address, if it is simplier. philip2u@aol.com

Have a great day. Philip

Re: Fastner family

Posted: 18 Jul 2007 10:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fastner
Hi Debbie,

You had mentioned in your earlier posting that your Fastner ancesters migrated to Bukovina living there for some years before migrating to America.

You might be aware of this internet site for The Bukovina Society of the Americas. You might be able to track some information thru them. Here is the URL in case you do not have it:

http://www.bukovinasociety.org

They really have a lot of interesting info to download. It does list a colony in Yuma County, Colorado of those that came over.

Boy, both your and Andreas information just fell right in place in my family tree. Good luck on your search.

Phil Nirschl

Re: Fastner family

Posted: 19 Jul 2007 11:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fastner, Sitter, Müller
Hi Philip,

Thanks for the info from the archives. I didn't have Johann Sitter in my database yet. I posted a descendant list in another topic here in the Fastner message board. It's kind of hard to follow it, the way it shows up in the message, so I hope you can figure it out.

For Ignaz Fastner, I have a birth date of Jan. 20, 1816. He was married to Anna Müller. So yes, the time between the births of Ignaz and Johann (1796) is 20 years - I wonder if the dates for Ignaz are correct. I don't have Ignaz birth/baptism info from the archive.

Andreas' information in his post dated June 28 originates from research by Alois Häusl. I have 2 birth dates for Wenzerl Fastner - 1768 and Sept. 22, 1774 - and no definite sources.

The link worked today for your website and I found my way around - interesting information!

I can read German if it's fairly simple, but not Czech.

Thanks for mentioning the Bukovina Society's website. I found a lot of my ancestors on the trees there.

Debbie

Re: Fastner family

Posted: 20 Jul 2007 3:09AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fastner
I want to thank you for the information you have furnish me and with that what Andreas had listed really filled in that part of my family tree.

There is one interesting fact about Apolonia Sitter. In the archives records from Trebon that I have:

birth record:

Johann Sitter (unchelich - illegitimate) 26 Mai 1796

It does not list the father.

So, one can only assume Wentzl Fastner is the father since he married Apolonia on 21 November 1797 and they had other children. It was not always a practice to go back to the records and correct them when the father stepped forward and said he was the father. Therefore, Sitter instead of Fastner came down the family line in my family tree.

I was send from Erich Nirschl in German a sheet with
"Basic genealogical vocabulary - English-German-Czech) I see there is a web address on the sheet. I haven't tried it, but it might be of some help to you if you are able to open it up. Here is the web address:

http://www.slovnik.cz

Philip
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