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Samuel Winsley/Winslow and Mary Winsley/Winslow (Phillip Flowler)

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Samuel Winsley/Winslow and Mary Winsley/Winslow (Phillip Flowler)

Dianne Moore (View posts)
Posted: 11 Oct 2005 6:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Winslow/Winsley/Fowler
I have information in my files that my ancestress Mary Winslow was born between 1592 and 1595, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England. In 1634, she arrived on the ship called Mary And John and lived in Ipswich, Massachusetts. She died 30 Aug 1659 in Ipswich, Essex County, Massachusetts. She married Philip Fowler in 1610.

Mary and husband Philip Fowler came to New England in the "Mary and John" from London, along with Margaret and husband, Christopher Osgood. Prior to being allowed to leave London, all were required to take the "Oathes of Allegiance and Supremacie" on 24th March 1633/34. They arrived in New England in May 1634. It is believed that Mary was the sister of Samuel Winsley who was a grantee with Bradstreet, Dudley, and others of Colchester in 1638 and an early settler of Salisbury. In Savage's book, he calls her Martha.

There are those who state that Mary Winslow's father was John Winslow who married Elizabeth Paddy. However, that seems unlikely since all known children of John and Elizabeth Paddy Winslow were born between 1566 and 1594, according to Savage. There is no record of John and Elizabeth Paddy Winslow having a child named Samuel either, who is known to be the brother of Mary.

The information I have found on her brother Samuel Winslow
shows he was born abt. 1597 in Colchester, County Essex, England. He was, at times, also called Samuel Wensley and Samuel Winsley. He was a planter, surveyor and 'seller of strong waters'. In 1638, he lived in Colchester, Massachusetts. Before 1642, he lived in Salisbury, Massachusetts.sbury, Massachusetts. He died 02 Jun 1663
in Salisbury, Essex County, Massachusetts. Samuel is believed to have married twice. Once to Elizabeth Randall? on 06 Oct 1657 and once to Ann.

According to "Early Settlers of Salisbury, Mass." in NEHG Register, Vol. 8, July 1854; New Hampshire Provincial Deeds 1702-1792, NEHG Register, Vol. 125, April 1972; and "Richard Avery and Some of His Descendants, NEHG Register, Vol. 96, Oct. 1932:
Samuel Winsley came to New England by at least 1638, since by that time he was a planter in Salisbury, Mass. He was accompanied by his wife Elizabeth, and children, Samuel (bef 1635-), Ephraim (born 2/14/1641 and married a Mary Greely on 3/26/1668), Elisha (born 3/30/1646), Elizabet h (born 4/2/1649), Deborah Weed, and Nathaniel (married a Mary Jones of Gloucester, Mass.). One record shows
he sued a Mr. Richard Avery of Salisbury in 1646-47 for Mr. Avery's "failure or refusal to transport a hogshead of beef to Boston in a vessel owned in part by Robert Codman of Haverhill, with whom he was associated in business, and in part by the town of Salem. Richard Avery could have been a mariner engaged in the coasting trade. In this suit Mr. Samuel Winsley deposed that when he carried down goods to load Codman's vessel, Mr. Coffin desired to have his beef carried. Deponent said that he would refer the matter to Goodman Codman, who told him not to overload the vessel but rather to put some of the bolts on shore." It is unknown as to the final disposition of the lawsuit. Samuel later moved to Kingston, NH. Samuel's daughter, Deborah (1635 -1695), married John Weed." He brought a servant named George in 1639. In an extract copied from the Salisbury records showing the Salisbury Commoners, 1650, dated "3d (12th) mo 1650" is shown that "Also att ye same meeting it was ordered yt all whose names are here under written, shalbe accompted townesmen & Comoners, & none butt them, to this prsent, that is to say: Samuel Winslow was a grantee with Bradstreet, Dudley, and others, of Colchester in 1638 and an early settler of Salisbury -- although not an original settler. He was made freedman on 22 May 1639. He represented Salisbury in the Geneal Court in 1642, 1645, and 1653, after having been s surveyor of the arms in September 1640. From the "Records of Massachusetts," on petition of "Mr. Bradstreete, Mr. Dudley Jr., Capt. Dennison, Mr. Clarke of Newbury, Mr. Woodbridge, Mr. Battye (Batt), Mr. Batter, Mr. Winsley, Hen: Bilye, Giles Firman, Richard Kent, and John Sanders," permission "to begin a plantation at Merrimack" was granted them, Sept. 6, 1638, with power to add to their number. The plantation was amed "Colechester,"
Sept. 4, 1639; name changed to "Salsbury," Oct. 7, 1640.
On the Salisbury records is found the following entry:
"1639, the third month. "At a meeting at merrimack of Mr Simone Bradstreet, Mr Samuell Dudly, Mr Danniell Dennisonn, Christopher Batt, Samuell Winsley, John Sanders:
It was ordered that there shall be 2 divisions of Meadow, the one nerrer, the other farther, the nerrest shall have fower Acres to Each 100h(£), the other left to farther Consideration.
It was further ordered that vpland for planting lotts shall be
divided so as he that hath vnder 50h shall haue 4 Acres, and he that hath aboue 50h to 150h shall haue 6 Acres, and all aboue shall have 4 Acres to Euerie 100h.
Allso, it was ordered that all lotts granted to singlemen are on Conditon that they shall inhabit here before the 6 of may next, and such as have families that they shall inhabitt here before the last of october next."
In 1651, Samuel sued in court and the result is shown as:
"Mr. Samuel Hall won a verdict when Mr. Samuel Winslow of Salisbury sued him in 1651, and the General Court turned down Winslow's appeal 22 May 1651 [EQC 1:222, MBCR 3:236]. Samuel Hall swore on 27 September 1659 that "about twenty-three or twenty-four years ago Mr. Winthrop's farm was laid out" [ EQC 2:169]. In 1651, Samuel was also evidently included in determine the amount of land to be granted for Strawberry Bank. This is shown in History of the Town of Hampton, NH - Chapter 2:
"THE NORTH LINE
Sometime before this, the inhabitants of Strawberry Bank, being desirous of enlarging their territory, presented a petition to the General Court, for a grant of certain lands. The court consented, Oct. 14, 1651, and granted to them all the lands--Squamscott Patent excepted--lying between themselves and Hampton, which had not previously been granted either to towns or persons. It then became important to know exactly how far north Hampton actually extended. The settlement of this question had indeed engaged the attention of the General Court at an earlier date, and at their session in the spring of this year, they had appointed four commissioners for this purpose, any three of whom were empowered to act. The persons appointed were Mr. Samuel Winslow, Mr. William Paine, Mr. Samuel Hall, and Mr. Thomas Bradbury. The commissioners determined that the north line of Hampton should run from a point five miles north from the Meeting-house, on an east line to the sea; and from the same point with the westerly line till it comes within two miles of the Meeting-house--where it then stood--in Exeter. They made their return accordingly, and the General Court approved it May 26, 1652, provided that it did not intrench on any former grant. The return bears the signature of all the commissioners except Mr. Paine." Samuel is shown in an extract from the old Norfolk County records as a witness in the following record: "Richard Currier of Salisbury, planter, for love to my son and daughter, Samuel and wife Hannah, the dwelling house and land I bought of George Martin in Salisbury new town, bounded by ye street and John Hoyt, Jr., also ye landing place by Pawwaus River, formerly said martin’s, on May 5, 1661. Wit. Sam. Winsley, Sr., and Philip Chanllis in Court at Hampton, October 14, 1662."
The following is a copy of a paper found in the Massachusetts archives, Boston, without date, but indexed under 1639. The use of the name "Colchester" places the date of the original record between September, 1639, and October, 1640, unless the new settlement used the name before it was authorized by the General Court. The Salisbury records have the name "Merrimack" in May, 1639. The Boston copy must have been made after October, 1640, as it uses the name "Salisbury":
"The names of those yt have lotts & proportions granted pr the Toune of Colchester in the first division
........ Mr Sam: Winsley
"This is A true copie of the originall list taken out of the old book of Reccords for Salisbury as Attests.
Vera copia Atest THO. BRADBURY rec.
EDWARD RAWSON Secrety"
SALISBURY COMMONERS, 1650
An extract, copied from the Salisbury records, lists Mr. Saml: Winsley, on "3d (12th) mo 1650" as one of the Salisbury Commoners, 1650. This extract stated "Also att ye same meeting it was orderedyt all whose names are here under written, shalbe accompted townesmen & Comoners, & none butt them, to this prsent, that is to say:.....Mr. Saml: Winsley....." Both Samuel and Nathaniel Winsley are listed in an extract of those shown on the Salisbury Rate, 1650. It shows that Samuel paid four shillings, nine pence. Nathaniel was shown paying four shillings, 11 pence. He invented a mode of making salt, and in 1654 was listed as a "seller of strong waters".. He filed a patent for this method with the
patent office recording:
"1641 -- The general court enacts that, as Samuel Winslow has invented a method of manufacturing salt, none are to make this article for ten years, except in a manner different from his, provided he set up his works within a year."

Two of the sons of Philip Fowler (Samuel and Thomas) settled near him in Salisbury and Amesbury. His son, Samuel Winsley, left property to the children of Samuel Fowler and calls him cousin. After the death of his first wife, Samuel married Ann, the widow of Henry Boade of Wells.
In an extract from the old Norfolk County records, Samuel is shown as a witness as follows:
"Richard Currier of Salisbury, planter, for love to my son and daughter, Samuel and wife Hannah, the dwelling house and land I bought of George Martin in Salisbury new town, bounded by ye street and John Hoyt, Jr., also ye landing place by Pawwaus River, formerly said martin’s, on May 5, 1661. Wit. Sam. Winsley, Sr., and Philip Chanllis in Court at Hampton, October 14, 1662."

I have seen genealogies that show that Mary and Samuel's father was John Winslow who married Elizabeth Paddy. However, the information I've found shows that this John Winslow (married to Elizabeth Paddy) had a will dated 9 Dec 1672 in Massachusetts, with a Codicil dated 26 Dec 1675. This John Winslow/John Winsley/John Winslye died sometime aft 26 Dec 1675. He was a Mariner and lived in Boston, Massachusetts. He had married Elizabeth Paddy who was born on 12 Nov. 1641, and who was the daughter of Deacon William Paddy (DOB 1600) and Alice Freeman. The information I've found from others show that John Winslow who was married to Elizabeth Paddy was born in 1569 (Elizabeth Paddy being born in 1573). Therefore, the information showing John Winslow being born in 1569 cannot be correct for the father of Samuel and Mary Winslow/Winsley. Neither can the information showing Elizabeth Paddy, born 1573, be correct.

John Winslow (DODaft 26 Dec. 1675) and Elizabeth Paddy (DOB 12 Nov. 1641) is shown as having had the following children:
1) Richard WINSLOW/Winsley/Wensley/Winslye
Birth: 18 Apr 1664 Massachusetts
2) Elizabeth WINSLOW/Winsley/Wensley/Winslye
Birth: 14 Mar 1666 Massachusetts -
3) Mercy WINSLOW/Winsley/Wensley/Winslye
Birth: 14 Feb 1668 Massachusetts
Spouse: Joseph BRIDGHAM
Spouse: Hon. Thomas CUSHING (m 8 Dec 1712)
4) Sarah WINSLOW/Winsley/Wensley/Winslye
Birth: 11 Aug 1673 Massachusetts
Spouse: Isaac WINSLOW (m 11 Jul 1700)
5) John WINSLOW/Winsley/Wensley/Winslye
Birth: 8 Feb 1675 Massachusetts In Samuel's will he stated that he was bound on a voyage. In it, he divided his estate into eight equal parts, two of which was left to his wife, two to his son Richard, and then left one to each of his daughters, the youngest of whom was not born at that time. By a codicil made on December 26, 1675, he stated that "God hath given me two children more since the above."

The New England Historical Register stated that a request for information about Harvard graduates for the dates 1642 to 1727 was sent to the editor of the Triennial Catalogue by John Langdon Sibley of Cambridge, Massachusetts. In the
response, there appears:
"1684 Richard Wensley, April 18, 1664, Boston, son of John, mariner, and Elizabeth (Paddy) Wensley with an *1698 (death date)."
Sibley addes that the Asterisk death date is not exact and that the person may have died several years earlier.

However, there is no Mary and no Samuel listed as their children that I can find. Does anyone have any information on this Mary and Samuel Winsley/Winslow? Or their parents? Any help on this line would be greatly appreciated. I have other information on descendants of Mary and Philip Fowler -- as well as some on Samuel Winslow/Winsley -- and would be willing to share if anyone is interested.

I have been searching for Mary's parents for about 30 years and was really happy when I first heard about the possiblity of the parents being John Winslow and Elizabeth Paddy. However, I have been unable to find any source documentation that would show this to be even remotely feasible -- unless they had children that I have been unable to find. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Dianne Moore
Bogiesgirl1@netzero.net

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