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Karol Zobel b 1841 + Weronika Wiktoria Laudańska b 1844 | Włocławek (Gniezno?)

Karol Zobel b 1841 + Weronika Wiktoria Laudańska b 1844 | Włocławek (Gniezno?)

Posted: 2 Aug 2012 8:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
I'm looking for more info on Karol Zobel & Weronika Wiktoria Laudańska.

The pair got two sons, Kazimierz and Walery, in Włocławek.

Later they moved to Warszawa, and (sometimes) started to write their name Cobel instead of Zobel. Kazimierz and Walery always wrote their names spelled Cobel, as did their siblings and descendants, but in their birth records they were entered as Kazimierz and Walery Zobel.

In 1877 Karol and Weronika were 36 and 33 years and got a son, Antoni Hilary, in Warszawa, so they ought to have been born in 1841 & 1844 +/- 1 year.

At least in Warszawa, Karol was a shoemaker.

Karol Zobel/Cobel died 16.12.1879.

I don't know if any or both of Karol and Weronika were born in Włocławek, or if that maybe was just a stop en route to Warszawa - maybe from Gniezno, were there was many families of Zobel.

Any help?

Re: Karol Zobel b 1841 + Weronika Wiktoria Laudańska b 1844 | Włocławek (Gniezno?)

Posted: 28 Jan 2014 5:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Checks indicate that neither Karol nor Weronika were born in Włocławek.

Re: Karol Zobel b 1841 + Weronika Wiktoria Laudańska b 1844 | Włocławek (Gniezno?)

Posted: 30 Jan 2015 9:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi :)
Karol and Weronika Wiktoria Cobel (Zobel) was my grand-grand-grandparents!
Edmund Cobel (grandfather of your wife Malgorzata Rosinska) was brother of my grandfather :) I know aunt Malgorzata and her doughter Zuzanna. I'm doughter of Michal Jazwinski. Maybe you remember I was in Stockholm in 1989 or 1990 with my mother Ela and brother Marcin. I have some informations about our family :) My e-mail is: lucyna.jazwinska@gmail.com

Re: Karol Zobel b 1841 + Weronika Wiktoria Laudańska b 1844 | Włocławek (Gniezno?)

Posted: 31 Jan 2015 3:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
By the way: Karol (born: 1841) and Weronika Wiktoria Laudańska (born 1844) had more children: Kazimierz (born: about 1867, death: about 1921), Antoni Hilary (born: 13.01.1877, death: ?), Feliks (born: 1879, death: ?), Maria Cobel Makowska (born: 25.08.1882, death: 10.10.1977), Walery (born: 1874) and probably they had one doughter more: Teodora.
Walery Cobel married Stefania Trzaskalska and she was mordered in Warsaw on the street Płocka, between 5-12 August 1944 (The Warsaw Uprising 1 August - 3 October 1944).

Re: Karol Zobel b 1841 + Weronika Wiktoria Laudańska b 1844 | Włocławek (Gniezno?)

Posted: 31 Jan 2015 4:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Yes - I have them, including Teodora, in my tree. Just trying to move backwards in time and since the two first children were born in Włocławek while it doesn't seem like Karol was born there (and he wasn't born in Warszawa) there should be a third place where Karol came from.

There has also been some other names as witnesses at baptizing of children, so Karol may have siblings named Maria Cobel and Tomasz Cobel.
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