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Christen Joder and Anna Meyer and Christian Yoder

Christen Joder and Anna Meyer and Christian Yoder

Posted: 1 Jun 2012 4:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Joder, Yoder, Meyer
I am trying to track down more accurate information on Christian Yoder (1700-1775)
All the family trees seem to reference each other and there are few actual records that I can find.

For one thing most people say he was born in Berks County, Pennsylvania, but there is an immigration record for him in 1742.

For another his mother is Anna Meyer. Most people reference the Anna Meyer that was born and died in 1709. It is not likely that someone born in 1709 was married in 1694 and had two kids by 1700. The other Anna Meyer I found was born 1657 and died in 1699, the same year as her husband (Christen Joder (1680-1699)). But then how could she have a kid in 1700?

If you have any information that would clear any of this up I would appreciate it.

Re: Christen Joder and Anna Meyer and Christian Yoder

Posted: 3 May 2013 9:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
The best sources on the Amish Yoder link to Europe are the Yoder Newsletter (available on line) and Gingerich and Kreider's monumental work, Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies. But: neither will solve your problem, as the identity of Christian's father is unknown, though there are several leading candidates, all of whom trace back a generation or two to Jost Yoder (1607) of Steffisburg; and DNA of verified descendants of Christian also leads back to Jost. But as the Joders fled Switzerland from the Swiss Reform persecution and lit at several places in Alsace and Germany for a couple of generations, record-keeping suffered, so we just don't know yet. New information comes to light now and then, narrowing the probabilities, but that's the best that can be said now. Anna Meyer is pure puff, considered by no reputable source as of this time.

Christen / Christian, Y2

Posted: 22 Oct 2013 5:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
In order to identify the Yoders with unknown names but known DNA, the father of Christian, b. ca. 1700, has been listed as Yoder YR. The Yoder who died at sea in 1742 leaving "widow Barbara" is YR1, and Christian is YR2.

You can Google the "Swiss Anabaptist DNA" and the "Yoder DNA" projects.

One rather confusing part is that Christian's haplogroup (clan) was listed as I2b1, but later it became I2a2a, and it also is called M223.

The good part is that the Joder line from Christian, b. 1571, and his son Jost, b. 1607, and also some named Bauer, Baumann, Kaufman, Lehman, Martin, Shirk, & Zimmerman are I (clade), considered by some to be the only "native European" group. I and its mutations make up about a fourth or fifth of the Europeans tested. The majority are R and its mutations.

Descendants of several Pennsylvania Yoders share mutation 16 at marker 19, which identifies them as sharing a common ancestor. Descendants of YR2 have been tested and share the 16 at 19 mutation. Strangely, some who think they are of this line do not have that mutation. Also, Caspar, b. 1571, is believed to have been son of Caspar, b. 1548, and some of the first Caspar's descendants do not have the 16. Thus, Caspar, b. 1571, must have been the first with it.

Jakob Yoder and Margret Stähli had sons including a Christian, b. 1697, who had older brothers, but DNA of that line does not share mutation 16 at 19, so that Jakob and Margareth were not parents of the 1742 immigrants.

You just need to identify all of the descendants of Christian, b. 1571, and you should find the parents of Christian, b. ca. 1700. :-)

Actually, that will probably be a difficult if not impossible task because the Amish were in hiding, so the records may not exist. However, if you have proof to Christian, b. ca. 1700, you can be fairly certain that Christian, b. 1571, is your ancestor.

Re: Christen / Christian, Y2

Posted: 23 Nov 2013 10:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Excellent DNA details. The haplogroup for the Yoders is indeed I2a2a, and in fact it is I2a2a3, with about eight further mutation subdivisions, denoted by the last mutation, which is Z190. Sometimes the following is appended to the notation: (Z79-), which indicates the Yoders are not part of an additional mutation, Z79, that has occurred for some in the Z190 clade.

So the Yoder haplogroup notation is I2a2a3 Z190 (Z79-).

As to ancestors, there are few sources as to names, and the farther back one goes the iffier the accuracy, but both the late German researcher, Karl Joder, and the Gingerich-Kreider bible, “Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies,” which has searched known sources, indicate Jost Joder’s father as Caspar, born 1571, married to Margreth Hennig. It would be interesting to know from Marilyn Roth the source of the information that his name was Christian.
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