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TICHBORNE BOOK

TICHBORNE BOOK

Will Motley (View posts)
Posted: 10 Sep 2005 7:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Tichborne
I am writing a book about the Tichborne family of Hampshire and trying connect other branches.

In particular I would like to hear from anyone who is connected to the English or the Irish lines.

I am also trying to sort out the Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and US lines. And the line in Manchester in the 19th C.

I recently bought a second hand book that had a bookplate for:

Chas R C Tichborne and a coat of arms which is correct for the Hampshire Tichbornes (though without the supporters), and correct crest and motto, (no markings for cadet branch). The book is dated 1838, Pub; London, though of course he could have owned it later!

This Charles R C T is not any known member of the Tichborne family in the nineteenth century that I can find. Can anyone help?

Any other help would be greatly appreciated!

yours

Will Motley
(my mother was a Tichborne of the Hampshire line)

Re: TICHBORNE BOOK

D.Baldwin (View posts)
Posted: 21 Apr 2006 5:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Will, My mother also a Tichborne Her father was James and he emigrated to NYC-he had a twin brother who stayed in Canada. Please contact my email as I am interested in your book and have some questions and information.

Re: TICHBORNE BOOK

Posted: 9 Feb 2007 11:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: TICHBORNE, TOUCHBURN, DUFFY
Will,

Since corresponding with you before, I have discovered that my William TICHBORNE / TOUCHBURN of the 19th Centur Glasgow & Manchester line was the s/o William TOUCHBURN b abt 1775 in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh Ireland and Mary DUFFY born abt 1792 in Dublin Ireland.

William Jr's sister Esther was born in Ireland abt 1832 and his father William Sr died there shortly afterwards.

By 1865, Esther TICHBORNE / TOUCHBURN was married to a shoemaker and had 1 child ~ this last info from her mother's Poor House records which I recently received.

No wonder I could never find William Jr in the 1851 Census for Glasgow ~ he was transcribed as William LUCKBURN :-(



Re: TICHBORNE BOOK

Posted: 28 Mar 2007 11:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
i have just found this - i have been so busy that my Tichborne research has had to take a back seat. However i remember finding that several of the Canadian lines of Tichbornes also were descended from a William Touchburn of Co Fermanagh, Ireland. So your line is probably related to them.

However i have not been able to connect these lines to the Hampshire line. One branch of the Hampshire lot did end up in Ireland but died out in the male line in the 18th C. (lived at Beaulieu, near Drogheda, Co Louth)

A separate line from the Hampshire lot, from a much earlier collateral branch living in Kent (including Robert Tichborne, Lord Mayor of London and a regicide) were parliamentarians and after the Restoration it is possible that some of them hid out in Ireland (other families did this). So perhaps there is a connection after all. It will be difficult to prove as there are few irish records, most having been burnt in the 1920s. i have found tantalising records of irish Tichbornes but cannot connect them up. There are descendants of this Kent line in New Zealand now.

In fact the NZ tichbornes appear to be the only ones left with the original Y chromosome - the Hampshire estate at Tichborne Park now belongs to my first cousin whose mother inherited it all from my grandfather, the last male Tichborne to live there.

best wishes

Will Motley

Re: TICHBORNE BOOK

Posted: 7 Apr 2007 8:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: TOUCHBUR, TICHBORNE
Thanks for responding! Once upon a time I mentioned a painting given by the d/o Esther TICHBORNE in Lancashire to my uncle in the late 1960s and I have discovered that the painting is signed: "R. TICHBORNE".

Esther was born in Glasgow, d/o Mary DUFFY & William TOUCHBURN born abt 1775 in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh Ireland. He died in Enniskillen on Aug 19 1836 and Mary and their 2 children settled in Glasgow where she died in 1867. Her death reg says she was born in Dublin Ireland - whether the county or the city I have no idea.

One of their sons, William Jr. wrote that their TOUCHUBRN or TICHBORNE family had lived on the estate of Viscount Lord Cole in the Enniskillen area. This could likely now be traced through the Internet but it's not an area that I am familiar with.

I have also discovered the TOUCHBURN/TICHBORNE connection from Co. Fermanagh who settled in Durham county and I've been informed that my GR GR grandmother's brother, Robert, visited 'his cousins' in the 1920s sometime. Whether first or more distant 'cousins' I'm not sure but in the meantime, armed with that info, I have attached the head of that line as his Uncle born abt 1771 while his own father William was born abt 1775.

One day, I too, hope to solve the dilemma and find out once and for all, where our Ireland to Manchester to Glasgow to Ireland to Glasgow and my own particular line, settling in the Bolton area of Lancashire! It's a major puzzle with so many pieces and even more 'missing' pieces because of the records in Ireland being destroyed :-(

Re: TICHBORNE BOOK

Posted: 21 Apr 2007 1:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
This is a new step to me! If you could go back a bit further in Enniskillen then you could possibly match up these tichbornes with the main family - which would make a lot of people very happy as this gap has proved very difficult to bridge. Some of the canadian Tichbornes began in Enniskillen too.

My suspicion is these are connected to the relatives and descendants of the London/Kent Tichbornes, who were protestant supporters of Cromwell. They incluse Sir Robert Tichborne who was Lord Mayor of London and a peer in Cromwell's Rump parliament. He was also one of the judges who signed the death warrant of Charles I - and so after the restoration of Charles II this branch would have had to hide. (Many similar families moved to Ireland - i know of the Wallers who did this and they are also related to the Hampshire Tichbornes.) Sir Robert was imprisoned in the Tower of London.

These Kent Tichbornes are separated from the Hampshire line in the 15th Century and were less wealthy (though few made some money - this branch commissioned the 17th C Tichborne spoons now in Alton museum) so their genealogy is harder to trace but much does survive and i am piecing it together now. They were in Godalming, Surrey, & Edenbridge, Kent and some direct descendants now live in New Zealand. There were also relatives of this line in Dublin about a 100 years ago.

I think someone will have to go to Ireland dig around in the archives - perhaps there are some papers of the Cole Estate. irish genealogy is a nightmare as most of the central archives were burnt in the 1920s.

There is also another branch of Tichbornes in Ireland - these are at Beaulieu, nr Drogheda, Co Louth. Descended from Henry, the fourth son of Sir Benjamin, 1st Baronet. they died out in the male line in the 18th Century but their descendants still own Beaulieu House, now open to the public.


best wisehs

Will Motley
tichmot@hotmail.co.uk

Re: TICHBORNE BOOK

Posted: 21 Apr 2007 6:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Will,

I once came across a site that had records for Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh and I remember seeing some pertaining to a Viscount Lord Cole ~ ~ when I can find it again, I will post it here for you and others.

Re: TICHBORNE BOOK

Posted: 12 Nov 2007 7:50PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Tichborne Kirkham
Do you know whether Chidiock Tichborne had a sister Mary, the wife of Sir William Kirkham (knighted 1605) of Pinhoe, Devon? I found her in Colby's edition of the 1620 Visitation of Devon, where she is described as the daughter of Peter Tichborne of Hampshire. Peter is not a common name among the Tichbornes, so I thought she and Chidick might be siblings.

Re: TICHBORNE BOOK

Posted: 22 Apr 2009 3:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Sorry to reply so late - just found this!

I believe that Mary was indeed the brother of Chideock Tichborne - his father was also Peter T. The Kirkhams were also recusant catholics.

Chideock has many sisters but I cant find much about them. I have yet to comb the visitations. I do know that there is a memorial to Mary and William Kirkham in a church in Paignton in Devon, which I presume is the same couple.

If you have any more I would be grateful - and also a reference for the devon visitation in 1620.

Will Motley

Re: TICHBORNE BOOK

Posted: 22 Apr 2009 7:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for the reply, Will.

The reference for the Kirkhams is F.T. Colby, 1620 Visitation of Devonshire (1872) page 161. This is Harleian Society Volume VI.

Would you please reciprocate and give me a source for Mary and Chideock Tichborne?

You can see my whole tree at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&d...

Michael Synge
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