Who was this Drury Thrift? Who were his ancestors & descendants (if any)? I assume in 1790 he was not a young guy since he had 27 Blacks who he was paying tax on. Greensville Co, VA is near the NC border.

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decennial/documents/1790m-03.pd... Original page 54
US census 1790 Greensville Co, VA: Thrift, Drury ... White: 1 ... Black: 27

thanks
Richard Thrift

Isham Thrift, (~1758 to aft 1812), is a patriarch of the Thrift line in NC, LA, & TX. ...and a few other states, too. There is controversy about whether Isham Thrift's father was Drury Thrift of Dinwiddie Co VA (Bef. 1750 to between 1790-1801), or Nathaniel Thrift of Old Rappahannock Co VA & Northampton Co NC (1738 to ~1814).

Does anyone have any evidence pertaining to who was Isham's father? Does anyone have evidence of where, in fact, Isham was born (VA or NC)?

ALL of the Thrifts in the south of VA & the north of NC lived near enough to each other that all could be closely related. In fact William of VA, & Nathaniel & William of NC ALL did business in Brunswick Co, VA. However, William Thrift of Dinwiddie Co, VA was clearly a different person from William Thrift of Northampton Co NC. On tax rolls or censuses in Dinwiddie & Greensville Counties, VA were Drury Thrift, William (before 1762 to after 1795) and David (bef 1767 to aft. 1794).

The book, Our Ancestors from the Potomac to the Lavaca, Brown-Riney and allied families, by Wallace Boyd New. Copyright 1996. Alpha Publishing Group, Houston, TX, states:
"Drury Thrift, resided in Dinwiddie County, Virginia in 1787. Also in the County was David Thrift and William Thrift. Drury Thrift was listed with 27 slaves on the 1790 census of Greensville County, Virginia. Dinwiddie and Greensville Counties join one another. Drury Thrift is believe to be the father of David, William and Isham Thrift. Drury Thrift was taxed on 126 acres in Dinwiddie County, Virginia in 1787. From 1788 to 1793, he was taxed on 126 acres and 108 acres conveyed by John Tarpley. From 1794 to 1798 he was taxed on 108 acres and 226 acres. Drury Thrift died in 1798. He was married to Mary. She survived him."

The book goes on to state that "this information was found only recently and is very incomplete." I can't get supporting details from Mr New; unfortunately he died this year. For all I know, the evidence for Drury being Isham's father may be nothing more than being of the right age, and in a close enough location. Is there more evidence?

Mike Thrift, in his ms
http://www.vagenweb.org/shenandoah/thriftmichaelms.html states the name of Nathaniel Thrift's wife (Jane) and 3 of his children (Isham, William, Letitia) and it seems he is saying that all of these names are known through Nathaniel's will. Does anyone have transcriptions or abstracts of these wills (or other evidence), naming Isham? (Mike has not responded to Emails, I may not have his current address.) Is there more evidence?


This is a new twist:

I was given a copy of a Revolutionary War pension application for John Curtis, (# R. 2,599, Virginia), stating that Curtis was Drury Thrift's cousin, and that Drury Thrift and Isham Thrift were said to be brothers. Curtis served 18 months in the militia substituting for Drury Thrift, who was drafted in Dinwiddie Co, VA (then enlisted for 18 months on his own). A Major (or Lieutenant) Estridge was mentioned somewhere in the petition (I can't find it at the moment), which may be significant since Isham's mother was Elizabeth E. Esteridge.

[more details: John Curtis was born in Dinwiddie or Sussex Co ~1759-1760. Father died when John was young, mother died during the war. Lived in Dinwiddie Co when called into service, moved to Orange Co NC shortly after the war [*significant since this is where Isham married & lived*], lived there & Chatham Co for ~20 years. John Curtis & Dolly Honeycutt were thought to have been married Oct 10 1793 in Chatham Co NC. John died 8/7/1844; Dolly survived to after 1850.]

It's not clear how accurate is the recollection that Drury & Isham were brothers (though the timing seems to fit, and there's no reason to doubt the recollection stated in the pension application), or who the parents might be. If true, it is possible that BOTH Drury & Isham were sons of Nathaniel Thrift.

A pertinent coincidence is this: Tress Pittenger states that Jane Thrift was born in 1765 in Dinwiddie Co & married Colson Tucker. Presumably Jane is closely related to Drury. Mike Thrift's Clan Thrift family tree
( http://www.vagenweb.org/shenandoah/thriftrichengland.html ) states that Letitia Thrift (Nathaniel's daughter, sister of William & Isham) was born about 1865 and married Anthony Tucker. Could it be that Jane & Letitia were sisters & married Colson brothers? Then William of Dinwiddie would be nephew of William of Northampton.

Who can provide more data?

(Here's a case where if descendants from Isham Thrift & of Drury Thrift do a DNA test, they should match each other more closely than they should match the other Northern Neck Thrifts.)

Thanks
Richard

Jane Thrift b. 1765 Dinwiddie Co VA, is more likely to be Drury's daughter than to be his sister (as proposed in my earlier post), based on dates -IF she IS of Drury's family at all. Thus Colson Tucker may be William's brother-in-law.

http://www.vagenweb.org/dinwiddie/tucker/taxes/dinwidld.htm
Tucker Land Tax Records, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1782-1814)
1790 Colston Tucker 108 acres conveyed by William Thrift? Wood Tucker's District
1801 Colson Tucker (Thrift's) 91 acres Conveyed from Drury Thrift's Estate Braddock Goodwin's District
1802 Colson Tucker (Thrift's) 91 acres Braddock Goodwin's District
1803 Colson Tucker (Thrift's) 91 acres Braddock Goodwin's District
1804 Colson Tucker (Thrift's) 91 acres Braddock Goodwin's District
1809 Colson Tucker (Thrift's) 258 1/2 acres Part of Drury Thrifts (Est) Edward Scott's District
1810 Colson Tucker (Thrift's) 258 1/2 acres Edward Scott's District


Links to William Thrift of VA and William & Nathaniel Thrift of NC (along with Nathaniel's friend William Jones) doing business in Brunswick Co VA are here (search within the docs for 'Thrift')

http://files.usgwarchives.org/va/brunswick/deeds/db14-550.tx...
DEED BOOK 14 (1780-1790) BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA
This Indenture made this 15th of January 1790 BETWEEN Peter Willis & Sarah his wife of the County of Brunswick of the one part and William Thrift of the County of Dinwiddie of the other part . . . for and in consideration of the sum of three hundred & fifty pounds . . . do grant bargain & sell unto the said William Thrift . . . the fee simple estate of three hundred & thirty acres of land lying and being in the said County of Brunswick being the land whereon the said Peter Willis now liveth & which he purchased of Vollentine Owen & Thomas Crawford & was conveyed to him by the said Owen & Crawford to wit by a deed from the said Vollentine Owen bearing date the 27th Day of April 1767 for two hundred & thirty acres . . . the other from the said Thomas Crawfurd bearing the 12th Day of October 1775 for one hundred acres . . . both of which deeds ware [sic] duly proved in the County Court of Brunswick reference thereunto being had will more fully appear . . . Signed by Peter Willis and Sarah Willis and witnessed by John Williams, John Fowler, and John Parish. Brunswick County Court January 25th 1790. This Indenture was acknowledged by Peter Willis party thereto to be his act & deed & ordered to be recorded. Deed Book 14, page 546.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vabrunsw/deeds/brundb15.ht...
BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, DEED BOOK 15
This Indenture made this 28th Day of February 1791 BETWEEN Wm. Thrift and his wife Martha of the County of Dinwiddie of the one part & Roger Mallory, Senr. of the County of Brunswick of the other part . . . for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred & ninety eight pounds . . . do hereby bargain sell alien enfeoff and confirm unto the said Roger Mallory, Senr. . . . one certain tract or parcel of land and premises containing by estimation three hundred & thirty acres . . . lying and being in the County of Brunswick aforesaid and bounded as followeth (to wit) BEGINNING on Sandy Creek bank thence along Wm. Bass's line to Wallace's line thence along Wallace's line to Saunder's line thence along Saunder's line to Browns line thence along Browns line to Sandy Creek aforesaid and then down the said creek as it meanders to the BEGINNING it being all that tract of land which the said Thrift purchased of Peter Willis late of said County . . . Signed by William Thrift (his mark) and Martha Thrift (her mark), and witnessed by John Nicolson, Grief Harwell, and David Meredeth. Brunswick County Court February 28th 1791. This Indenture of Bargain & Sale was acknowledged by Wm. Thrift & Martha his wife to be their act & deed & ordered to be recorded. Previous to which acknowledgement the sd. Martha being privately examined as the law directs did voluntarily assent thereto. Deed Book 15, page 38.

This Indenture made this 20th day of March 1792 BETWEEN Samuel Harwell of the one part & Samuel Harwell of the other part witnesseth that the said Samuel Harwell the elder for and in the consideration of the natural love and affection which he beareth unto his said son Samuel Harwell as also for the consideration of five shillings to him in hand paid . . . doth give grant infeoff and confirm unto the said Samuel Harwell the younger . . . one tract of land lying in Brunswick county containing fifty acres . . . lying the West side the rode leading from Charles Harrisses to the smokey ordinary joining to Charles Harris George Williams Nathaniel Sims and Reaves Westmorland also four negroes namely Sesar Moll Stephen Peg also seven head of horses also thirty head of cattle also thirty head of sheep also thirty five head of hogs and also three beds and al the furniture that I possess and all my tools & everything both real & personal that is mine of all kinds whatsoever . . . signed by Samuel Harwell (by his mark) and witnessed by Thos. Hardiway Jr., William Thrift (by his mark), James Harwell (by his mark), Charles Harris and George Williams (by his mark). Brunswick County Court March 26th 1792. This deed of gift was proved by the oaths of Thomas Hardiway Jr., Charles Harris & George Williams three of the witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded. Deed Book 15, page 205.

this is the William Thrift of Dinwiddie Co, VA:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vabrunsw/deeds/db15.htm
This Indenture made this 4th day of January 1793 between Roger Mallory Sr. & Betty his wife of the County of Brunswick of the one part & David Kirkland of the same County of the other part . . . for and in consideration of the sum of two hundred & twelve pounds . . . hath granted bargained sold aliened enfeoff & confirmed unto the said David Kirkland . . . one certain tract or parcel of land containing three hundred & thirty acres . . . lying and being in the County of Brunswick and bounded as follows, viz, BEGINNING on Sandy Creek bank thence along Mr. Bass's line to Wallaces line thence along Wallaces line to Saunders's line thence along Saunders's line to Ruffins line thence along Ruffins line to Browns line thence along Browns line to Sandy Creek aforesaid thence down the said creek as it meanders to the BEGINNING it being all that tract or parcel of land which the said Roger Mallory purchased of William Thrift . . . Signed by Roger Mallory and Betty Mallory and witnessed by John Williams, Lew. Williams, Howell Duggar, and Roger Mallory, Jr. Brunswick County Court January 28th 1793. This Indenture of Bargain and Sale was proved by the oaths of Lewelling Williams, Howell Duggar & Roger Mallory, Jr., three of the witnesses thereto & ordered to be recorded. Deed Book 15, page 359.
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vabrunsw/deeds/brundb15.ht...
BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, DEED BOOK 15
This Indenture made this 20th Day of May 1790 BETWEEN Heartwell Rains of the County of Brunswick in Virginia of the one part and Nathaniel Thrift of the County of Northampton in North Carolina of the other part . . . whereas the said Heartwell Raines is justly indebted to the said Nathaniel Thrift in the just & full sum of ninety five pounds four shillings and two pence . . . which he honestly desires to pay . . . for and in consideration of the sum of five shillings . . . to him in hand paid by Francis Dancy . . . doth grant bargain & confirm unto the said Francis Dancy . . . six Negroes Vizt. Isabell York Betty Dick Juno & Nicholas with their increase . . . upon trust nevertheless that the said Fras. Dancey shall at any time after the 15th of March in the year 1792 when the said Heartwell Raines or Nathaniel Thrift . . . shall request the same or the said Francis Dancy shall think proper . . . shall sell for the best price that can be gotten to the highest bidder after giving ten days publick notice the before mentioned property . . . Signed by Heartwell Raines and witnessed by Wm. Thrift, Wm. Jones, and Richard Putney. Brunswick County Court November 22nd 1790. This Indenture of Deed and Trust was proved by the oath of Richard Putney a witness thereto & having been proved on 25th Day of October last by the oath of William Jones also a witness thereto the same is ordered to be recorded. Deed Book 15, page 11

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ncnortha/2004-...
Northampton Co, NC Will Book 1, p. 336
In the name of God, Amen. I, William Jones of Northampton county, and state of North Carolina, do this twenty-fourth day of September one thousand seven hundred and eighty-four, ...
...I give unto my son William Jones, a tract of land including all the land that belongs to me in the fork of Cane Creek, as followeth, beginning at the head of Burwell gilliam's spring branch, thence down the said branch to a north prong of Cane Creek, thence down the creek to Nathaniel Thrift's line.
...
Signed: William Jones. Test: Nathaniel Thrift, James williamson,
Simon Woodard. Will was proven in open court and ordere to be recorded.
Jeph Atherton, Clerk.

Darlene Athey Hill has done a tremendous amount of research into original sources of info. I've just found a site with some of her data

Nathaniel Thrift's will is quoted here
http://www.gencircles.com/users/rockerdar/1/data/3894
In the name of God, Amen. I, Nathaniel Thrift, of Northampton County, being weak in body but sound and perfect mind and memory, do make and ordain this my last will and testament. That is to say, first after my just debts are paid, I lend to the wife Jane Thrift during her natural life all my estate consisting of my land and two negroes, Simon and Peter, stock of every kind, household and kitchen furniture, Plantation utensels, __, and at my wife's death I then give to my daughter Letitia Tucker and her heirs forever all the said estate loan'd my wife during her natural life. Lastly I constitute and appoint my son in law Anthony Tucker Executor to this my last will and testament. Given under my hand and seal this twenty eighth day of September 1811 in presence of: Benjn. Rook, Sebastian Squire, Wilson C. Tuckers.
Proven in open court, June Court 1814 by the oaths of Benjamin Rook & Se bastian Squire, whereupon Anthony Tucker the executor therein named was qualified agreeably to Law.

It was written September 1811 when Isham (who died sometime after June 1812) was still alive. Not only is Isham not an executor, but the will doesn't even MENTION Isham, his heirs, or the heirs of William, and leaves the estate to his daughter Letitia Tucker. This seems unexpected if Isham is his son. So what evidence IS there that William & Isham are Nathaniel's sons?

It is still worth looking into whether Jane Thrift b. 1765 in Dinwiddie Co VA, who married Colson Tucker, is related to Letitia Thrift & Anthony Tucker.
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Another interesting Dinwiddie Co connection is that there are reports that Susannah Thrift married Thomas Snipes who was born ~1710 in Prince George Co, VA (near Dinwiddie Co); he died in Dinwiddie Co, VA.
http://southerndays.info/Ancestors_Starling.PDF (search within the doc for Thrift)
Who was Susannah Thrift; what family was she from?
Her son, William Snipes, married Sarah Pinkney? They both died in Chatham Co, NC where Isham's family lived.

I wonder if this Pinckney family is who Isham's grandson Pinkney /Pickney Thrift b. 1818 in NC was named for.

The Snipes family is closely allied with Isham Thrift's line; Isham's daughter Elizabeth married Jesse Snipes, and a Robert Snipes (who may be Elizabeth's son) even followed Isham's son William to Jackson Parish, LA and worked for William as an overseer on his plantation there.

So Isham may yet be related to Drury Thrift & other Dinwiddie Co Thrifts, and so far I have not seen evidence that he is Nathaniel's son.

Richard