Drury Thrift, 1790 census, Greensville Co, VA USA
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Isham Thrift's father: Drury Thrift, Dinwiddie Co VA or Nathaniel Thrift, Northampton Co NC?
| rnthrift (View posts) | Posted: 23 Oct 2008 7:41PM GMT |
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thrift, Curtis, Esteridge, Honeycutt
Isham Thrift, (~1758 to aft 1812), is a patriarch of the Thrift line in NC, LA, & TX. ...and a few other states, too. There is controversy about whether Isham Thrift's father was Drury Thrift of Dinwiddie Co VA (Bef. 1750 to between 1790-1801), or Nathaniel Thrift of Old Rappahannock Co VA & Northampton Co NC (1738 to ~1814).
Does anyone have any evidence pertaining to who was Isham's father? Does anyone have evidence of where, in fact, Isham was born (VA or NC)?
ALL of the Thrifts in the south of VA & the north of NC lived near enough to each other that all could be closely related. In fact William of VA, & Nathaniel & William of NC ALL did business in Brunswick Co, VA. However, William Thrift of Dinwiddie Co, VA was clearly a different person from William Thrift of Northampton Co NC. On tax rolls or censuses in Dinwiddie & Greensville Counties, VA were Drury Thrift, William (before 1762 to after 1795) and David (bef 1767 to aft. 1794).
The book, Our Ancestors from the Potomac to the Lavaca, Brown-Riney and allied families, by Wallace Boyd New. Copyright 1996. Alpha Publishing Group, Houston, TX, states:
"Drury Thrift, resided in Dinwiddie County, Virginia in 1787. Also in the County was David Thrift and William Thrift. Drury Thrift was listed with 27 slaves on the 1790 census of Greensville County, Virginia. Dinwiddie and Greensville Counties join one another. Drury Thrift is believe to be the father of David, William and Isham Thrift. Drury Thrift was taxed on 126 acres in Dinwiddie County, Virginia in 1787. From 1788 to 1793, he was taxed on 126 acres and 108 acres conveyed by John Tarpley. From 1794 to 1798 he was taxed on 108 acres and 226 acres. Drury Thrift died in 1798. He was married to Mary. She survived him."
The book goes on to state that "this information was found only recently and is very incomplete." I can't get supporting details from Mr New; unfortunately he died this year. For all I know, the evidence for Drury being Isham's father may be nothing more than being of the right age, and in a close enough location. Is there more evidence?
Mike Thrift, in his ms
http://www.vagenweb.org/shenandoah/thriftmichaelms.html states the name of Nathaniel Thrift's wife (Jane) and 3 of his children (Isham, William, Letitia) and it seems he is saying that all of these names are known through Nathaniel's will. Does anyone have transcriptions or abstracts of these wills (or other evidence), naming Isham? (Mike has not responded to Emails, I may not have his current address.) Is there more evidence?
This is a new twist:
I was given a copy of a Revolutionary War pension application for John Curtis, (# R. 2,599, Virginia), stating that Curtis was Drury Thrift's cousin, and that Drury Thrift and Isham Thrift were said to be brothers. Curtis served 18 months in the militia substituting for Drury Thrift, who was drafted in Dinwiddie Co, VA (then enlisted for 18 months on his own). A Major (or Lieutenant) Estridge was mentioned somewhere in the petition (I can't find it at the moment), which may be significant since Isham's mother was Elizabeth E. Esteridge.
[more details: John Curtis was born in Dinwiddie or Sussex Co ~1759-1760. Father died when John was young, mother died during the war. Lived in Dinwiddie Co when called into service, moved to Orange Co NC shortly after the war [*significant since this is where Isham married & lived*], lived there & Chatham Co for ~20 years. John Curtis & Dolly Honeycutt were thought to have been married Oct 10 1793 in Chatham Co NC. John died 8/7/1844; Dolly survived to after 1850.]
It's not clear how accurate is the recollection that Drury & Isham were brothers (though the timing seems to fit, and there's no reason to doubt the recollection stated in the pension application), or who the parents might be. If true, it is possible that BOTH Drury & Isham were sons of Nathaniel Thrift.
A pertinent coincidence is this: Tress Pittenger states that Jane Thrift was born in 1765 in Dinwiddie Co & married Colson Tucker. Presumably Jane is closely related to Drury. Mike Thrift's Clan Thrift family tree
( http://www.vagenweb.org/shenandoah/thriftrichengland.html ) states that Letitia Thrift (Nathaniel's daughter, sister of William & Isham) was born about 1865 and married Anthony Tucker. Could it be that Jane & Letitia were sisters & married Colson brothers? Then William of Dinwiddie would be nephew of William of Northampton.
Who can provide more data?
(Here's a case where if descendants from Isham Thrift & of Drury Thrift do a DNA test, they should match each other more closely than they should match the other Northern Neck Thrifts.)
Thanks
Richard
Does anyone have any evidence pertaining to who was Isham's father? Does anyone have evidence of where, in fact, Isham was born (VA or NC)?
ALL of the Thrifts in the south of VA & the north of NC lived near enough to each other that all could be closely related. In fact William of VA, & Nathaniel & William of NC ALL did business in Brunswick Co, VA. However, William Thrift of Dinwiddie Co, VA was clearly a different person from William Thrift of Northampton Co NC. On tax rolls or censuses in Dinwiddie & Greensville Counties, VA were Drury Thrift, William (before 1762 to after 1795) and David (bef 1767 to aft. 1794).
The book, Our Ancestors from the Potomac to the Lavaca, Brown-Riney and allied families, by Wallace Boyd New. Copyright 1996. Alpha Publishing Group, Houston, TX, states:
"Drury Thrift, resided in Dinwiddie County, Virginia in 1787. Also in the County was David Thrift and William Thrift. Drury Thrift was listed with 27 slaves on the 1790 census of Greensville County, Virginia. Dinwiddie and Greensville Counties join one another. Drury Thrift is believe to be the father of David, William and Isham Thrift. Drury Thrift was taxed on 126 acres in Dinwiddie County, Virginia in 1787. From 1788 to 1793, he was taxed on 126 acres and 108 acres conveyed by John Tarpley. From 1794 to 1798 he was taxed on 108 acres and 226 acres. Drury Thrift died in 1798. He was married to Mary. She survived him."
The book goes on to state that "this information was found only recently and is very incomplete." I can't get supporting details from Mr New; unfortunately he died this year. For all I know, the evidence for Drury being Isham's father may be nothing more than being of the right age, and in a close enough location. Is there more evidence?
Mike Thrift, in his ms
http://www.vagenweb.org/shenandoah/thriftmichaelms.html states the name of Nathaniel Thrift's wife (Jane) and 3 of his children (Isham, William, Letitia) and it seems he is saying that all of these names are known through Nathaniel's will. Does anyone have transcriptions or abstracts of these wills (or other evidence), naming Isham? (Mike has not responded to Emails, I may not have his current address.) Is there more evidence?
This is a new twist:
I was given a copy of a Revolutionary War pension application for John Curtis, (# R. 2,599, Virginia), stating that Curtis was Drury Thrift's cousin, and that Drury Thrift and Isham Thrift were said to be brothers. Curtis served 18 months in the militia substituting for Drury Thrift, who was drafted in Dinwiddie Co, VA (then enlisted for 18 months on his own). A Major (or Lieutenant) Estridge was mentioned somewhere in the petition (I can't find it at the moment), which may be significant since Isham's mother was Elizabeth E. Esteridge.
[more details: John Curtis was born in Dinwiddie or Sussex Co ~1759-1760. Father died when John was young, mother died during the war. Lived in Dinwiddie Co when called into service, moved to Orange Co NC shortly after the war [*significant since this is where Isham married & lived*], lived there & Chatham Co for ~20 years. John Curtis & Dolly Honeycutt were thought to have been married Oct 10 1793 in Chatham Co NC. John died 8/7/1844; Dolly survived to after 1850.]
It's not clear how accurate is the recollection that Drury & Isham were brothers (though the timing seems to fit, and there's no reason to doubt the recollection stated in the pension application), or who the parents might be. If true, it is possible that BOTH Drury & Isham were sons of Nathaniel Thrift.
A pertinent coincidence is this: Tress Pittenger states that Jane Thrift was born in 1765 in Dinwiddie Co & married Colson Tucker. Presumably Jane is closely related to Drury. Mike Thrift's Clan Thrift family tree
( http://www.vagenweb.org/shenandoah/thriftrichengland.html ) states that Letitia Thrift (Nathaniel's daughter, sister of William & Isham) was born about 1865 and married Anthony Tucker. Could it be that Jane & Letitia were sisters & married Colson brothers? Then William of Dinwiddie would be nephew of William of Northampton.
Who can provide more data?
(Here's a case where if descendants from Isham Thrift & of Drury Thrift do a DNA test, they should match each other more closely than they should match the other Northern Neck Thrifts.)
Thanks
Richard