Hello,
My father was John Willie Theall Sr., born 1914 in TX. My grandfather was John Thomas Theall, born 1883 in TX. My great grandfather was also John Thomas Theall, born abt. 1846 in La....and that's as far back that I have at this point. I didn't know my father's side of the family growing up and he died in 1975...before I got to meet him. I have met my half-brother, John Willie Theall Jr, born 1941 in TX, but he doesn't have any of the family history recorded. If anyone can shed any light on this Theall line, I would be forever grateful. Thank you so much! Deb
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Check out the Theall family tree at http://members.tripod.com/~kjunkutie/theall.htm#History **I believe your John Thomas Theall born about 1846 may be in this family tree as Thomas Theall, born abt. 1847, son of John B. Theall and his 3rd wife Lucrece-Chrysa Morgan. **I believe the author of this tree is Gary E. Theall the foremost Theall family genealogist in Louisiana. His email address is garytheall@vermilionhistorical.com **Gary is also the website administrator of the Vermillion Historical Society at http://www.vermilionhistorical.com/ **Tell him everything you know in detail so that he can be sure he is on the right track since there are very many Thealls in Louisiana and John was a common name. Good luck, Sal
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Sal,
I really appreciate the info and your quick reply...I'll contact Gary and see if he can assist me further.
Thanks again,
Deb
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I'm a Theall, living in Texas....but my dad was from Mass. What I understand from my brother.....way way back...like when then pilgrims landed...there were some people from France who did the same thing except went to Acadia...the Nova Scotia part of Canada....and some of those people went to NY and Mass and some to Lousiana....in fact there is a tiny town South of La Fayette called Theall.
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Your "way, way, back" history of the Theall family is incorrect.
The patriarch of the Theall family in America was Nicholas Theall who is first found living in Watertown, Massachusetts by 1637, where a son Joseph was born 24 Oct 1640.
Nicholas moved to Stamford, Connecticut circa 1645 and died there 19 August 1658.
Joseph Theall, son of Nicholas, was of Stamford, CT, until about 1680 when he moved with those who established Bedford, Westchester Co., New York. Circa 1689 he moved to Rye, Westchester Co., NY, where he left a son, Ebenezer.
Ebenezer (bc 1685, d. 1747) had a large farm in Rye, NY, which he divided amongst his sons Charles, Joseph, Hachaliah and Abraham.
Charles (bc 1701, d. 1778-80), son of Ebenezer, bought lands on the border of northeast Westchester Co., NY, and southeast Dutchess Co., NY (today Putnam Co.) in the 1760s where his sons Ebenezer and Charles Jr. settled.
Before and the during the American Revolution the Theall family took the Loyalist/Tory side for the most part which resulted in many Thealls leaving New York after the Revolution for Nova Scotia in 1783 as Loyalist refugees.
Some Theall returned to New York from Nova Scotia in the late 1780s, early 1790s, but the family of Charles Theall, Jr. (1735-1814; son of Charles Sr., grandson of Ebenezer) remained in Nova Scotia and settled on the mainland that became the province of New Brunswick.
It is very, very, likely that your Theall family descends from the sons of Charles Theall (1735-1814) who is historically considered an United Empire Loyalist (UEL). His sons were, Charles, Samuel, Tertullus, James.
Your ancestor Walter A. Theall, born Sept. 1880 in Massachusetts, was the son of Charles Theall, born 1856-57 in New Brunswick [Canada], and Catharine [Kate], as per the 1880 and 1900 US censuses taken in Boston, MA.
Charles Theall, b. 1856-57, was likely the son of Margaret who married __?__ Theall in New Brunswick, had children there and immigrated to Boston circa early 1870. This last information is from the 1870 census, and from following the census trail up to 1920 of David Theall, brother of Charles (b. 1856-57).
The Theall family has no French connection from the early colonial times. They have no connection to the French Acadians who were exiled from Acadia/Nova Scotia after the French defeat in the French and Indian War (1758-1762). Their only connection to Nova Scotia/New Brunswick, Canada, is from their Loyalist/Tory activities in New York during the American Revolution which led to the decision of some of them to leave New York as Loyalist refugees after the war.
The Thealls of Louisiana are descendants of Hachaliah Theall, a dry goods store merchant of New York City who left with his family for Louisiana circa 1807-08. Hachaliah descends from the Thealls of Rye, NY, more specifically from the Joseph Theall of Rye branch.
So, in your case the trail of migration is as follows:
England >> Massachusetts (Watertown), 1637 to about 1645 >> Connecticut (Stamford), about 1645 to about 1680 >> New York (Bedford [1680s], to Rye [1689], to Dutchess Co. [1760s]) >> Canada (Nova Scotia [1783], the part that became New Brunswick) >> Massachusetts (Boston, 1870) >> Texas .........
And your Theall line of descent is:
Nicholas Theall, (bc 1615 in England, d. 19 Aug. 1658 in Stamford, CT) >> Joseph Theall, (24 Oct 1640 in Watertown, MA; dc 1710 in Rye, NY) >> Ebenezer Theall, (bc 1680; d. 1747 in Rye, NY) >> Charles Theall, Sr., (bc 1701; d. 1778-80 in Rye, NY) >> Charles Theall, Jr. (b. 1735 in Rye, NY; d. 1814 in New Brunswick, Canada) >> Charles, Samuel, Tertullus, or James Theall, born in New York, removed with father to New Brunswick >> __?__ Theall, of New Brunswick >> __?__ Theall, bc 1835, of New Brunswick, who married Margaret >> Charles Theall, b. 1856-57 in New Brunswick >> Walter A. Theall, b. Sept. 1880 in Massachusetts ............
I am related to the Thealls through Ebenezer's (bc 1680, d. 1747) youngest daughter Hannah, who is said to have married Gilbert Bloomer. ........
I will not be able to help you further on the Theall family, but thought I should at least put you, and others, on the right track since the story you have of the early Thealls is totally incorrect. There are many problems and pitfalls in the Theall family genealogy as many mistakes found there way early into print.
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Thank you for the post about the Theall family history. Does anyone have a clue where my Elisha Theall came from. (parents/sibs) I have his birth date of abt.1818.
The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, Brooklyn, of Monday, April 1, 1889, page 6, column 5. Article: OBITUARY- Elisha Theall "In the death of Elisha Theall, at his residence, 75 North Oxford street, yesterday morning, thirty six years of usefulness in the Fifth Ward, largely devoted to the amelioration of his fellow men, came to an end. He was ill with peritonitis for five days, during which time his condition was the subject of anxious inquiry in that part of the city. As a dispenser of drugs he was a friend of the poor. He devoted two hours daily to affording medical attendance to those who could not afford to pay and his store was crowded in that time of the day. He was 67 years old and had been a resident of this city for fifty years. He was a staunch Democrat and was conspicuous in his aggressiveness against spoil politics. In the early period of his residence he was a member of the Board of Supervisors. This was when the office was without emolument. He vigorously opposed the proposition to attach a salary and when that law was enacted refused a nomination for re-election. He leaves a widow and a son and daughter, both grown up. The funeral service will be conducted by Vicar General William Keegan, of the Church of the Assumption, a life long friend of the deceased, at 2:30 o'clock tomorrow afternoon and interment will be in the Holy Cross Cemetery, Flatbush.
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Wow, thanks for putting me on the right track. I am so regretting I did not get more information from my dad before he passed away, and I was at a road block with all I didn't know. Your information is a big help.
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I would just like to correct some details in my posting yesterday, 27 May.
Concerning my statement,
"Before and the during the American Revolution the Theall family took the Loyalist/Tory side for the most part which resulted in many Thealls leaving New York after the Revolution for Nova Scotia in 1783 as Loyalist refugees."
"...... many Thealls ...." is incorrect. Only two Theall families with their children left New York for Nova Scotia.
1. The family of Charles Theall, Jr. (1735-1814), of Frederickstown, Dutchess Co., NY, which included his sons Charles, Samuel, Tertullus, and James. These settled in what became the province of New Brunswick, and are the patriarchs of the Theall family there.
2. The family of Capt. Ebenezer Theall of Cortlandt Manor, Westchester Co., NY; elder brother of Charles Theall, Jr. This Ebenezer left his farm in Cortlandt Manor at the start the Revolution to join the British, and eventually ended up commanding a troop of light horse in Delancey's Refugee Cowboy's, a loyalist refugee corps. Ebenezer was killed in an ambush at Round Hill, Connecticut circa 1779-80, and his eldest son Gilbert was left head of the family likely residing in the Loyalist refugee encampment at Morissania, or on Long Island. After the war Gilbert apparently took his father's family to Nova Scotia, but they all returned to New York by 1790, and are the progenitors of the Thealls of the Niagara Peninsula in Canada; of Newburgh, NY; of Putnam Co., NY; and of northeast Westchester Co., NY.
The remaining loyalist Theall families stood their ground in Rye, Westchester Co., NY after the Revolution with some later migrating to New York City.
I just wanted to clear up the impression that "many" Theall families left New York for Nova Scotia; I was confusing them a bit with the Hains family of Westchester Co., NY.
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Thanks again....this is all very interesting.
Hey, do you have any where my grandmother Viola's maiden name? I know it was pronounced Bee-Bow and I spelled it as Bebeau .....but no records came up. So I guess we are some sort of cousins, right?
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I don't know about your grandmother. My area of expertise is the Theall family of New York. Those who went to Canada I know something about, and those who returned in the mid to late 1800s into Massachusetts I know little about except what I can see through census records.
Yes, we are seventh cousins twice removed having a common ancestor in Ebenezer Theall (bc 1680, d. 1747 in Rye Westchester Co., NY). His eldest son Charles is your ancestor, and his youngest daughter Hannah is my ancestor.
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