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Taubel ancestry from Thalwenden, Saxony

Taubel ancestry from Thalwenden, Saxony

Posted: 22 Dec 2007 6:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: TAUBEL, MOHR,
Hello there! I am stuck in my search for ancestors in my maternal line (Taubel).

Last confirmed link is Nikolaus Taubel, born abt. 1780, probably in Thalwenden, lower Saxony. He was married to a Barbara Elisabeth Kaufhold. Their son Andreas T. was born there 3.8.1812, married an Anna Elisabeth Gremmler and had a son Georg, born 20.7.1846 in Thalwenden, died 15.1.1905 in Oberhausen, Rhine province. He was married to an Anna Katharina Sophia Wessel.

Their second son Rudolf T. was born 21.7.1886 in Oberhausen. He was my maternal grandfather. He died in 1941 in Cologne, having had four children - Wilma, Edith, Margot and Rolf - with his wife Maria Mohr, born 25.10.1910 at Muehlheim-Styrum in the Ruhr area. My grandmother died on 5.7.1974.

I have a number of dates and documents relating to the ancestors named, but would like to get beyond the 30-Years-War period for MY Taubel line. The name is fairly rare in Germany today (some 55 in the phone book) but there appears to have been a sizeable cluster in the Thalwenden area, where I'm told they were farmers and teachers.

Thanks for any help - which I'll gladly reciprocate!

Rgds,

L.M. Huesch


Re: Taubel ancestry from Thalwenden, Saxony

Posted: 3 Nov 2008 11:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Taubel, Pfaff, Herzog, Schmidt, Konik
Ok, so, here goes.

My mom is Erika Taubel (or, rather was, until she married my dad). Her parents never told me anything about Sachsen. My earliest recorded Taubel ancestor is named Michael Taubel, and his exact point of origin is unknown. However, we believe it to be Rothenburg ob der Tauber in Swabia. Anyway, around 1820 he left his German hometown and went down the Danube and settled near Vinkovci, Croatia where he founded a new German town called Neudorf bei Winkowzi with some other German families. They lived there until 1944 when the Red Army drove them out.

Re: Taubel ancestry from Thalwenden, Saxony

Posted: 4 Nov 2008 1:02AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Taubel, Mohr
Hi,

thanks for the reply. From a letter my mother's sister Edith wrote to a Dr. Taubel in Wiesbaden in 1977, I gather that there were "many" Taubel buried at the Thalwenden cemetery. Many had been teachers, Edith Taubel wrote, referring to a visit her sister (my mother) made to Thalwenden in 1923. The parish records show the name Taubel there right back to the 30-year-war.

I have always believed the name Taubel to have been a Jewish name originally. There was a lot of harassment of Jews in Germany in the 19th century, and many of them emigrated. Thus a recent TV program mentioned that the Lehmann brothers emigrated from a little Wuertemberg town to New York, as did - from another Swabian/Wuertemberg town - a Mr Goldmann and a Mr Sachs... Their old synagogue was shown: turned into a chicken coop by a local farmer, whose family bought it from the Nazis when they wanted to burn it down...

I'll see if I can find a reference to the full name of the aforementioned "Dr. Taubel" in Wiesbaden, and post it here again.

Kind regards,

LMH

NB: In my original post I got the birth date of my maternal grandmother Maria MOHR wrong. It should have been August 3, 1891 rpt 1891 at Muehlheim on the Ruhr.

Re: Taubel ancestry from Thalwenden, Saxony

Posted: 4 Nov 2008 9:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Taubel, Pfaff
Hi,

further to earlier: Michael is still the fourth most common first name for Taubel, according to a German site which lists some 143 Taubel still in Germany...

And there is a Dr Michael Taubel, lawyer, in Frankfurt/Main, just across from Wiesbaden where my aunt wrote to that lawyer named Dr Taubel.

I haven't spent much time on genealogical research in the past couple of years - my new project has been building and using a wood-fired stone oven LOL

But I found one Heinrich Pfaff for you in Croatia, mentioned on page 71 in the online Beschka Home Land Book (http://www.dvhh.org/beschka/book-page.htm)

Kind regards,

LMH

Re: Taubel ancestry from Thalwenden, Saxony

Posted: 4 Mar 2011 8:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Biel, Grebenstein, Grabenstein, Arand, Simon, Stitz, Henning...from Thalwenden or Uder, Germany.
Hello Regis.
I really don't have a family connection, but we do have a Thalwenden connection. I recently discovered that my GGGGGG Grandfather, Joannis Martinus Biel, was born there in 1686. The population of that small village is about 380 persons. I THINK that there is someone there with the last name of Biel, and yet another with the surname of Grebenstein, which is my GGGGGG Grandmother's maiden name (Maria Grebenstein). Maybe a coincidence, but who knows.
I also know that Joannis and Maria migrated to Uder, Germany, which is less than 2 miles from Thalwenden, and probably 2 or 3 times the size. I've discovered 44 other relatives that lived in Uder from about 1700 to at least the mid 1800, at which time many of them went to Berlin.

I'm wondering if you might want to move your search to Uder, as it's possible that your family may have done as mine did, for whatever reason.

My family was Catholic and belonged to St. Jakobus Church in Uder. With some help, I was able to gather much information from Church records there.

I don't know if this will help you at all, but, if you're anything like me.....ANY tidbit of information is exciting.

Hope this helps.

Bill Biel
Pittsburgh, Pa.
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