Pidpat: these messages are getting a little strange. I have been making a survey on tors, boney growths in roofs of Stubbs mouths, seems a lot of them have, often skip a generation. Just a minor thing, most have them taken out. No wonder I can't carry a tune. tsk tsk.

Your Canadian Stubbs went to England? Were they decended from a Samuel Stubbs and Caroline Paine/Payne that came from England to Toronto around 1870's? That would be one of my limbs. Sincerely, mary anne stubbs campbell