I am descended from John George SOBER, bn abt 1729 in Northampton, PA, married to Barbara (aka Heller) BITZ, 4 Aug 1752, Northampton, PA. They had 13 children. My line goes thru their son, Jacob SOBER, 30 Aug 1764, married to Mary Catherine HAHN, abt 1790. They had 11 children. My line continues thru their son, George Washington SOBER (Sr.), 3 Sep 1798, married to Sally (Salome/Sarah) MARSH, abt 1820. They had 14 children. My line continues thru their son, George Washington SOBER (Jr.), 5 Feb 1833, married to Molly Ann Leibert (2nd wife). They had 10 children. My line continues thru teir son, Edwin Centennial SOBERS, this generation is where the "s" was added to the surname. Edwin was my grandfather. I would like to hear from any other researcher of this SOBER/SOBERS line. Thank you.
ingram@acronet.net

Are you Uncle Wink's daughter. My dad's name was Edwin George Sobers. He recently passed away 12/12/97. Would like to hear from you.

Yes, I am "Wink's" daughter. Have sent a reply by e-mail to you.

I'm researching the Barbados branch of my family tree. I've obtained information on several of my ancestors:

Gr Gr Gr Grandfather: John William Sober (Unknown)
Gr Gr Grandfather: James Edward Sobers b. abt. 1863 in St. Peter
Great Grandfather: James Augustus Sobers b. 1884 in St. Andrew
Great Uncle: James Elverton Sobers b. 1887 in St. Andrew
Great Uncle: Ernest William Sobers b. 1894 in St. Andrew

Any information on the families of these individuals would greatly be appreciated. I'm particulary interested in the children of James Elverton Sobers and Ernest William Sobers

I need help in finding info about my greatgrandfather Dewitt Clinton Sobers. I think the family originally came from PA and then settled in Crawford Co. OH. He was born in 1856/1857 in Todd Twp.Crawford Co.He married Emily(Emma)Jump in 1878. They later lived in Fostoria OH where he died in 1946.
Would his name be listed anywhere in your line of Sobers? You mentioned a Jacob Sobers
whose name sounds familiar.I'd appreciate any info you could give me.
Thanks,
Jane Meyer

I am sorry, but I am not familiar with any of your names mentioned. Happy Hunting

I know that Ingrams are related to Sobers and
I want to say in touch. My Father was born in
Texas died March 13, 1992. I have three childern
Micheda 9,Mandisa 7 and Deron II 4. The don't know
anyone from My father's side of the family.
212 865 0978/646 528 0010 call me or e-mail me.

I may be from the same Sober/Sobers line as you. My greatgrandfather was Dewitt Clinton Sobers who was born in Seneca Co. OH in 1857. I think his parents were Edgar Sobers and Sarah Skeels who were married in Seneca Co. in 1855. I think their family probably came from Pennsylvania. Do you have any of these names in your records? I have hit a "brick wall" with my Sobers line. Thanks for any help you could give me.

Sorry, but I see I just sent you a message and had already sent you one previously. At that time you said you couldn't help me. Please disregard my message today.

Dear Jane,
None of the names you memtioned are in my data base. My line stayed in PA. Sorry I am unable to help you. Laurel Ingram

Hello my name is Yolanda Sobers, I Just started research on my ancestors. I was browsing through ancestry.com when i saw some message boards, with people looking for Sobers in Barbados. My mother's name is Norma Sobers. All of aunts and uncles also have the last name Sobers. My grandfather was Leslie Sobers. My Gr Gr grandfather was John Sobers who was born in Barbados. He lived in Barbados for sometime, he then moved to Guyana . Where my grandfather, aunts, uncles, cousins, my mother, my brother, my sisters, and I were born. If you have any information on the name Sobers, can you please contact me at diamond0887@aol.com. It will help me alot !! It may even help you. Who knows we may even be distant family !! Thank You

Hi Yolanda,

I have found quite a bit of information on the Sobers, but unfortunately don't recognize any of the names that you referenced. You can view what I know about the Sobers at my website, "We Sailed Great Ships" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DLHinson/GrShips.ht...

My information goes back to approximately 1820. There are several resources on the page that might help you with your research. Good Luck!

Don

I looked through your page on the Sobers and I noticed that you said that Gary Sobers is supposed to be your fist cousin. My grandfather had told my father that Gary was our first cousin as well. Maybe we're related

Hello Deron,
I don't think I responded to your message in April of 2001. I am married to an INGRAM, my maiden name was SOBERS. I have been doing genealogy for some time, especially on my father's SOBERS lines. I have never found them to connect with INGRAM lines. However, I did tackle the INGRAM lines for my husband, and yes, there were some INGRAM's in Texas, but I do not believe that they are his direct lines.
I am sorry I can not be of more help. Email me directly if you want to ask more about these lines. Laurel INGRAM

can you tell me if Sally Marsh's fathers name was Fredrick i may be in possestion of his photograph found while digging threw my grand parents attic.

Hi Dawn,

I have Sally (Salmoe, Sarah) MARSH born 26 Jan 1801 in Hamilton Twp., Monroe Co., PA, married George Washington SOBER Sr. abt. 1820. I do not have a death date for her.

I have her father as Abraham MARSH Sr., born 1 Jan 1760 in Northampton Co., PA, died 1 Jan 1847 in Hamilton, Monroe Co., PA. I am not sure what is first wife's name was: I have seen Elizabeth DREISBACH, daughter of Simon DREISBACH, but I am not sure if that is true. I have his second wife as Elizabeth Catherine METZGER HOUSER, she was the widow of George HOUSER (her 1st husband).
Abraham did not have a son named Frederick, he did have 12 children.

Abraham's father was David MARSH ( MERSCH) Sr. born abt. 1730 in Germany, died April 1798 in Northampton Co., PA, buried at Zion Stone Church in Kreidersville, Northampton Co., PA. His wife was Elizabeth ----. They had 13 children, none of which were named Frederick. Abraham was his second son.

Is this the same line that you are researching? I do not have a Delos in my database.
Laurel

I'm not sure if this Fredrick Marsh in any relation to your line. His photo's were found amoung photos of my great great grandparents Delos Sobers an his wife Eilzabeth Richter. Delos is the son of Jacob Sobers and Mary Matrawn . noone in my family can remember who this Fredrick Marsh person is. all the photo's found are 101 yrs of age or older. the youngest being one of my grandfather Clyde Delos Sobers at age 5. if the other names ring a bell with you please let me know i've been at a dead end for many years since the death of my grandmother until finding these old photos last month in the attic of my aunt Janice Sobers daughter of Clyde and Lillian. even she did not remember them but my grandmothers hand writing was on the backs telling who was who but no clue as to fredrick marsh.

Hello again, I am the great great granddaughter of Delos S. Sobers. his father was Jacob Sobers his mother Mary Matrawn of OH. I was asking about this Fredrick Marsh person because there is a very old photo of him in and amoung our families oldest photo's. noone can remember him. I however an wondering if somewhere we have a Sobers connection. from what I understand all the sobers familes this area were somehow related. but noone knows how.

Dear Dawn,

I am sorry , but none of the names in your reply are familiar to me, none are in my database. Laurel

Hi laurel, Delos Sobers is the Son of Jacob Sobers and Mary Matrawn, whom i'm now lead to believe is the son of Jacob Sober and Maria Catherine Hahn. it appears Jacobs father was John Sober and mother Barbara Heller. Does any of this ring a bell to you? I am Delos Sobers great great grand daughter.

Dear Dawn,
I am related to John Geroge SOBER, born abt 1729, married to Barbara (aka HELLER) BITZ, born 18 Feb 1733. They were married 4 Aug 1752 in Northampton County, PA. They were the parents of 13 children, one of whom was Jacob SOBER, born 30 Aug 1764 in Plainfield Twp, Northampton Co., PA, he died 23 Nov 1848 in Hamilton, Monroe Co., PA. He married Mary Catherine HAHN abt 1791. She was born 24 Jun 1773, Plainfield Twp., Northampton Co., PA, she died 17 Jun 1862, Hamilton, Monroe Co., PA. They had 11 children, Elizabeth; Anna Maria; Johannes (John); George Washington(this is my line); Fridrich (Frederick); Hannah; Jacob, born 13 Dec 1804, Plainfield Twp, Northampton Co., PA, died ----, he married Hannah Werkheiser; Isaac; Catherine; Sarah; Christine.
I do not have Delos SOBERS in my database and I am not familiar with Mary Matrawn.
I am sorry I can not help you any further. Good Luck with your research. Laurel

Dear Dawn,

I did a search on ancestry.com for Delos SOBERS. They came up with an Ohio marriage record as follows:

Database: Ohio Marriages, 1803-1900
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Name Spouse Marriage Date County State

SOBERS, DELOS /RICHTER, ELIZABETH 11 Dec 1873 Seneca OH


Source Information:
Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp. Ohio Marriages, 1803-1900 [database online]. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001. Original data: See extended description for original data sources listed by county.
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Does this look like a possibilty for you? Laurel

Hi Laurel, yes that is a match for my great great grandfather , His parents names were Jacob Sobers and Mary Matrawn. Jacob was from PA and married Mary while living in NY state. the information i recieved may have been wrong but they lead me to believe Jacob was the son of John (johannes) sober and Barbara Heller. this is one puzzle thats becoming difficult to sort out. but thank you for your help. Dawn

Dear Laural,
I have just returned to genealogy after some time away and would like to be back in touch with fellow geneo's. I too am descended from "bn abt 1729" and would like the source of the "george". I have him well covered at the St Paul's Blue Church in Lehigh County as John Nuchtern/Sober and later in Northampton County. Much of my work is off the work of Sally Pryor from Washington. I would love to ehar from you and other researchers. I am descended from John George 1759, died in Leechburg, Westmoreland County.
Cheers form South Australia,
Robert

Hello Robert, We last emailed 21 May 2002, I am glad to hear from you again. I had sent a gedcom to you and a register report for four genrerations of SOBER(Nuchtern)/SORBER/SOBERS in May of 2002.
These are the source/notes I have on John George SOBER, born about 1729; died about 1790:
BIRTH-DEATH-BURIED: John SOBER, Born: ca 1720-1730; Died: 1790; Buried: Plainfield, PA, St. Peter's Church(according to church record). Married: Barbara HELLER. Source: The Name SOBER; Mabel F. SOBER; self published 38 page soft cover booklet, 1965. Page 4. In possession of Laurel Ingram, Sterling, IL. Noted: June 2004; L. Ingram.

!NAME: Wife Barbara (SOBER) called Barbara Nuchtern in records of Salem Church Northampton County, Penn. It appears that John SOBER anglicized his name, and that (in German) he may have been Johannes Nuchtern. See the records of Dryland (Trinity) Church of Nazareth Twp., , PA, where it lists Johannes & Barbara Nuchtern as parents of a child Catherine, who was born 15 Feb 1771 & Baptized 23 Jun 1771, then years later a Barbara Nuchtern was sponsor at the baptism of Susanna Andre, a know grandchild of 'Barbara SOBER' (Susanna was daughter of Catherine (SOBER) and Nicholas Andre.) In some church records, name Nuchter/ Nuchtern are used interchangeably in yrs. 1774, 1782, 1784, 1785, 1790, 1792, Salem Union Church, Moorestown, , PA. In no instance are the surnames 'SOBER' (or variants) and Nuchtern in the same listing, except in two communicant lists which say Barbara Nuchtern or SOBER (1784) and Barbara SOBER or Nuchtern 1785 Salem Church. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!WILL: Copy of Will in possession of descendant, Darlene Robison Rynearson.
Will is dated 1 Aug. 1786 and was probated in 1790.
To confirm the date of death of 1790, the reference of 'The Name Sober'; by Mabel F. Sober, of Tarentum, Penn..1965 is used. She said she talked with a great many of John and Barbara SOBER descendants, and she gives the date of 1790 as a death date on a family group sheet. Buried at the St. Peters Church Cemetery, but no stone found.
The Will of John Sober: Probated on 02 Aug 1790, Bk. 2, pg. 103. Will #1323 - On file at the Easton Courthouse, Northampton Co., Pennsylvania. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

Will of Barbara SOBER, dated 26 Dec. 1807, probated 31 Mar. 1810,
Northampton Co., Pa. Bk 4 pg 360. Easton Courthouse. L.D.S. Film #946458.
Church..her name ..Maria..was found when search of church records was done. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!CHURCH: Plainfield Church records lists John G. as a Yeoman, meaning freeman.

!MILITARY: D.A.R. INDEX. Records show that John SOBER & his 2 oldest sons (John Jacob and John Philip) served in the revolutionary war as Privates..
also: D.A.R. Archives.: the 2nd Battalion at Northampton.
Records show occupation as: "Serredin Revolution."
Place of residence during the American Revolution was Northampton CoCo., Pennsylvania.
"Services in assisting in the establishment of American Independence during the War of the Revolution were as follows: Soldier in the Second Battalion of the Third Company for the years 1781, 1782, 1783 in Captain Jacob Heller's Company."
References by volume and page to the documentary or other authorities for: Vol 8 pg. 161, 172, 195, 203, 215 of the Pennsylvania Archives, 5th series.

On the 1763 muster-roll (on L.D.S. film #21680) the Public Records of Northampton Co., Pa.: John SOBER is listed as 24 yrs old, born in Penn. He is listed with black hair and gray eyes and being 5'9" tall. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!NAME: Most records show name Sorber & SOBER for him. Sober means grave & sedate character. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

There is another member of the family..A brother to this John George..by the name of Jacob..born abt 1720, Married to Maria Angelica. The brother Jacob's Will was found by the Institute of Family Researchers, Inc. and the name here also appears with spelling in several ways..SORRER, Sorber, SOBER, SOPER and SEEBER. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!NOTES: Birth/Christening Record of an additional child, Ludwig, was located in the Emmanuel Petersville Church (Moore Township). His date of Birth (1769) indicates that the child Barbara was born prior to 1769. It would have been hightly unusual for Mother Maria Barbara to have had a child after 1769 (She was then age 46 according to her burial record.) The child Ludwig was sponsored by Ludwig HELLER & Margaret.
Search of HELLER genealogy can not tie in the name of HELLER to Barbara. Not found is connection, especially with the HELLER Reaper saying No relation!
(Ludwig HELLER came here in 1753 usual age of 100years and 100 days. (There is a picture of him in the book). Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.
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I hope this will help you.
Laurel

Hi Cousin Laurel,
Yes of course the previous correspondence comes slowly back to these aging neurons. It is good to be back in touch. I still do not see a “smoking gun” for the name George. The only references I have to a George is his son born 1759 who was a Rev war vet and came across to the West in about 1780. The constant reference to our 1729 bloke as Johannes tends to make me think he was a John and not a John something else. Does this make sense?
Robert

Hello Robert,

I would agree with you that the strongest "tie in" to John (Johannes) George (Nuchtern) SOBER, bn abt 1729, would be the name of the son, John (Johannes) Geroge SOBER JR., bn 1759.

Often in German families there is a naming pattern where all the males are the same first name (ie Johannes) but then go by the second or middle name.

If you notice in the information previously sent, there was a child (first son) named George (John) born 24 Aug 1755. I will include what I have for sources/notes on him:
!PARENTS: Johannes (John) SOBER (anglicized from Nuchtern) & Barbara Bitz. The maiden name of 'Heller' is nullified because of new research. After the Heller family had been so thoroughtly researched, & seemed hopeless that there would ever find proof of that family tie, a change of direction was given to the name (by Betty Massman of Cary, Illinois, Sally Painter Prior of Wash., & Luise Green of Texas (who is from Germany). This researcher has source copies of the work done by Mrs. Sally (Harry J.) Prior, & it agrees with what I have
done, also with help from Mr. Frank Shoupe of Leechburg, Pennsylvania (1995) Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!WILL: A child ...John SOBER Jr. was not mentioned in John Sober's Will because he had died the year (of 1786) that it was drawn up...Thus George B. Sober was the 2nd son, not the first as originally thought. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!I.G.I.: Library Call # 1058865, batch 7635003, sheet #57 for ordinance work Marriage: Batch 5019036 sheet 31 call #1553777. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!NAME: The first given name of Adam is used in some genealogy of this man. Johann George (with dates) is name found at the St. Paul's Luth. & Ref. (Blue) Church Baptism records..Upper Saucon Twp., Northamtpon (Lehigh) Co. Original German records (LDS film #22074) and translated in 1930 by Ch. R. Roberts. See "Pa. Births, Lehigh Co. 1734-1800" by John T. Humphrey, 1992. The church records are listed under parents Johannes & Barbara Nuchtern (SOBER).
Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!NOTE: a release from Peter Michael, et al, to George & Jacob SOBER 10 Aug. 1793, in Northampton Co., PA. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!NOTES: Some records were entered as 'Sober'...found under the listing of 'Seever'. See ' The Name SOBER' by Mabel F. Sober, 1965..Allegheny, Pa. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!HISTORY: A descendant of German ancestors and a resident of Northampton Co., whence he came in 1798 to Westmoreland County. He purchased 325 acres of land (There is a quote from Gordon's History of County ...referred to in D.A.R. file on this info. also) His attention to agriculture, having formerly followed the carpenter's trade. Wife Anna Margaret Artman, whom he married "on the other side of the mountains," ... they were the parents of 4 children, 3 daughters and one son, Daniel." This is a quote from the History of Westmoreland County. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!SOURCE: for birthdate D.A.R. applicant, Pearl SOBER #429873 and Angeline J SOBER D.A.R.( #26945 dated 15 Jan. 1931)... Angeline has born in 1755. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

Frank Shoupe, of Leechburg, Penn., checked the gravesite Jan., 1995, and varified that George died 17 Oct 1849 at age 94 yrs., 1 mo., and 23 days. also recorded by (per Frank) Rev. Jacob Zimmerman, who was pastor of the Lutherna Church then. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!NOTES: The reference to George SOBER and Anna Margaret Erdman or Artman is given in Lehigh County histories, but Lehigh County was a part of Northampton County until after the Revolution. There are notes that he came to Westmoreland Co. in 1798...see History of Westmoreland Co. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!WIFE: wife's last name: Since there might be some confusion about the spelling of Erdman, it may be explained by reference to Deed Book 6, pg. 221 in which Abraham Erdman, alias Ardman, or Artman......and Sibla, his wife, did grant to Barnet Thomas, etc,...This Abrahm is mentioned in the Lehigh County History. This deed is recorded in Greensburg, Westmoreland County.
Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!MILITARY: George Sober's services during the Revolutionary War may be found in the Penn. Archives, 5th Series, Volume S, pg's: 124,172,195,203,215.
Private George SOBER served in Cap't. Jacob Heller's Company, the 2nd Battalion, 16 May 1780 and until the close of the Revolution..Northampton Co. Was with Col. Wm. Raup or Roup, Lt. Col. Christian Shouse, & Col. Henry Geiges.
George SOBER, Revolutionary Soldier, his son Daniel, and his grandson George, and their respective wives are buried in Pleasant Hill Cemetery, Westmoreland County, and all have tombstones with the dates of their births and deaths. The farm purchased by George SOBER, Revolutionary soldier, has been owned by three generations ...as mentioned above...and was owned at the time this was outlined by John SOBER.
John Charles SOBER,(1863) is the father of one who detailed this information in 1954 (Angeline J. Sober). Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!CHURCH: The confirmation date of a George Sorber on 14 Apr 1770 in the Congregation (Plainfield Township.) Probably refers to the Adam George, the eldest son of John George.
Children were usually confirmed at age 15 in the Lutheran & Reformed Congr. which would put it 1755. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!DEATH: See inscription on the gravesite Tombstone marker at the Pleasant Hill Cemetary in Westmoreland Co., Pa. Several members of the family are here, including wife, father, & mother. This is in Allegheny Twp. Source: Darlene Robison Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

!CHURCH & CEMETERY: Records for family members: St. John's Lutheran Forks Lutheran Greensburg Lutheran of Westmoreland County. Lone Hill Cemetery, Allegheny Twsp., Westmoreland Co., Pa..presently known as Pleasant Hill Cemetery. St. Michael's Church..Brick Church,..Pennsylvania. Source: Darlene Rynearson, Murray, UT. 1996.

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Name: George Sobers 1,2,3,4,5,6
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Misc. Notes
1800 US Census, Washington, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania:
George Sobers
1 males <10
1 males 16-26
1 females <10
1 females 10-16
1 females 16-26
1 females 45+

1810 US Census, Washington, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania:
George Sobers
1 males 10-16
1 males 45+
1 females <10
2 females 10-16
1 females 45+

1820 US Census, Allegheny, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania:
George Sobers
1 males 16-26
1 males 45+
1 females 45+
1 agriculture

1830 US Census, Allegheny, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania:
George Sobers
1 males 70-80
1 females 70-80

Marriage: 17856
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Spouse: Anna Margrethe Erdman7,8,1,6
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Birth: 10 Jun 1758 Upper Saucon, Northampton, Pennsylvania
Baptism: 25 Jun 1758 Saint Paul's "Blue" Church, Upper Saucon, Lehigh, Pennsylvania
Death: 29 Aug 1847
Father: Andreas Erdman (1721-1795)
Mother: Maria Margaretha Frederick
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Sources
1. "History of Lehigh County, Pennsylvania," Charles Rhoads Roberts, John Baer Stroudt, Thomas H. Krick, William J. Dietrich, Lehigh Valley Publishing Co., Allentown, Pennsylvania, 1914, vol. 2, p. 310.

2. "United States Census," 1800, Washington, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, sheet 1253.

3. "United States Census," 1810, Washington, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, sheet 108B.

4. "United States Census," 1820, Allegheny, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, sheet 160.

5. "United States Census," 1830, Allegheny, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, sheet 223.

6. Glenda E. McCoy, Family Group Records.

7. Baptismal Records (1739-1872), St. Paul's "Blue" Church (Evangelical Lutheran), Upper Saucon Township, Lehigh, Pennsylvania

8. "Pennsylvania Births, Lehigh County 1734-1800," John T. Humphrey, Humphrey Publications, Washington, DC, 1992, p. 56.
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Last Modified: 22 May 2004
Created: 22 May 2004
The above information from Lance WARE<lance.ware@cox.net> via email to Laurel INGRAM on 22 May 2004 in response to a RootsWeb Message Board (Sobers)Posting from 28 Dec 1999.
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BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES: George SOBER & Margaretta are listed several times in the translated church records of the First Lutheran Church of Greenburg, Westmoreland Co., PA. There are the following entries:
Page 61 Anna 12-18-1812 Edward BOYD Sponsor:Gerorge SOBER
08-01-1813 Catharina ERDMANN & Margaretta
Page 55 Maria 08-13-1811 John BRAUN George SOBER
05-29-1812 Catharina & Margaretta
Page 37 John 04-14-1807 John Philip KNEPPEL George SOBER
Philip 08-16-1807 Susanna & Margaretta
Page 86 Anna 05-10-1817 Henry KLEIN Geroge SOBER
Margaretta 08-10-1817 Catharina & Margaretta
Page 67 Hanna 05-19-1814 John LAUFFER George SOBER
07-10-1814 Elizabeth & Margaretta
SOURCE: Births, baptisms (3683) of the Frist Lutheran Church, Westmoreland Coounty, Greenburg, Pennsylvania, 1792-1853: Rev. J.M. Steck, 1792-1830, Rev. M.J. Steck, 1830-1848, Rev. Jonas Mechling, 1840-1853; Fischer, Della Reagan; McKeesport, Pa.; unknown; 1964, 199 pages. Book online at www.heritagequestonline.com. Noted; 2 Jun 2004, L. Ingram.
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BIOGRAPHY: SOBER Family. The grandfather of George and Andrew SOBER , of Leechburg, was George SOBER, the descendant of German ancestors and a resident of Northampton county, whence he came in 1798 to Westmoreland County. He purchased three hundred and twenty-five acres of land in Allegheny township, and turned his attention to agriculture, having formerly followed the carpenter's trade. His wife was Anna M. ARTMAN [Erdman], whom he married "on the other side of the mountains," and they were the parents of four children, three daughters and on son, Daniel.
SOURCE: History of Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania; Boucher, John N.; New York: Lewis Pub. Co., 1906, 2196 pages. Volume II, page 534-535. Book online at www.heritagequestonline.com. Noted: 3 Jun 2004; L. Ingram.
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BIRTH-MARRIAGE-DEATH: George B. SOBER; Born: May 14, 1755; Married: Anna Margaret Erdman (Artman); Died: October 17, 1849. Listed as second child of John SOBER & Barbara Heller SOBER. Source: The Name SOBER; Mabel F. SOBER; self published 38 page soft cover booklet, 1965. Page 4. In possession of Laurel Ingram, Sterling, IL. Noted: June 2004; L. Ingram.
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There are a few more notes on him since I sent the information to you in 2002. Does this help any?
Laurel

I recently saw your post of 2/3/2000 on Sobers Genealogy.
I have not visited the message boards for awhile as you can see. Our connection to the Sobers family goes thru my
girlfriend's gggrandfather, HENRY EDWIN BERGER,of
Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania. His second wife was SOBINA
SOBERS, his first wife was, ELIZABETH KLIENTOP. Henry
and SOBINA had 5 children plus 2 from his first marriage. My
question is did your Sophia have a sister SOBINA? We have
a couple of letters they wrote to each other during the Civil
War. We have not been able to figure out their relationship.
You e-mail me directly at: bnielson@iwon.com
Thank you in advance
Bruce Nielson

Hello Bruce,

My Sophia SOBER, born in Hamilton Twp., Monroe Co., PA; married in 1851 a Philip FLYTE in Hamilton Twp.; I do not have a death date for her.

She did have a sister Sabina SOBER, born 25 Nov 1838 of Hamilton Twp., Monroe Co., PA; married a David HEFT. I do not have a marriage date for them and I do not have a death date for Sabina.

Their father was George Washington SOBER Sr. They had a brother George Washington SOBER Jr. who fought in the Civil War.

Does any of this sound familiar? Laurel

Hello Laurel

I saw your past posts and peter sobers is my ggggrandfather he was married to Christiana Flyte. Peter was killed in Clear Creek VA during the Civil War. It is my understanding that his father was George and his mother was Sally and he had a sister Sophie. Is this the same line and do you have the other siblings.

Thanks

Bridget

Hello Bridget,

Peter B. Sober was the son of George Washington Sober Sr. & Sarah Marsh, aka. Sally, Salome Mersch. He was the youngest of their 13 children, born in Hamilton Twp., Monroe Co., Pennsylvania (I do not have a birth date for him). I have he died in 1863 - my aunt contended he died at Gettysburg, but that may not be so if you have documentation for Clear Creek, Virginia. He married Christina Flyte on 26 Dec 1851 in Hamilton, Monroe Co., Pennsylvania.
I have information and documentation of sources for this family. Peter did have a sister, Sophia (child #12), who married Philip Flyte on 25 Dec 1851. I believe we have a definite match.
I would be happy to share information with you. You may be able to fill in some blanks for me.
Thank you for responding to my post.
Laurel

Hi Laurel

Sorry I misquoted the town where peter died it was Cedar, VA
anyway I am sending you his discharge info I received from the government. This is wonderful I have been searching for a long time for ancestors I gave up for a couple of years as you can see.
Email me at bkurts@207me.com

Thanks

Bridget

Hi Laurel

Sorry I misquoted the town where peter died it was Cedar, VA
anyway I am sending you his discharge info I received from the government. This is wonderful I have been searching for a long time for ancestors I gave up for a couple of years as you can see.
Email me at bkurts@207me.com

Thanks

Bridget

Hi Laurel

File attached

Sorry

Bridget