Hello Shirley,I have to look into this one! I have a web site devoted to Genealogy at "my Family.com" if interested contact me at block@thurston.com, for invite. You cannot get into site unless I input your data (first last name email address). I will look into John Shrum Martha (Hurst) Shrum, but dates would be helpfull, and you can email that to me if you do not want to input here? I always try to make these entries short to save space for others!