WOW this is fantastic news Mark, I know we talked before, and I thought we were related then, now I KNOW WE ARE ! Moses is in my upline somewhere ! and that whole listing of SHRUMS she had all sound soooo familiar, we gotta get together on this ! The Lovelady name is supposed to come in just above my Great Grandma somewhere, I was on to it once but was told it was a mistake, and I failed to pursue it, it could have been found then ! HEY see my posting concerning BRAWNERS and go there ! Neal Shrum