I`m getting furthur with my research. A major problem has arisen however! My Edward Roche married a Maria Theresa Bourke, her father was Captain John Robert Bourke who married Jane Percival.
I have now found the obituary of Maria Theresa (Bourke) Roche. She died in Greymouth NZ in 1893. She was 1st cousin to Sir Richard Bourke, Governor of NSW and 1st cousin of General Sir John Pennefather.
Her husband Edward was from Tourlager ??? -- in brackets beside that name is the word (Vanclaus)???, Co Limerick.
Maria Theresa was from Moatville Co Tipperary ???.
Where in the world are Tourlager or Vanclaus? They sound German or French. But the citation says Co Limerick. General Pennesfather was a colonist for 60 years, but he was in America and possibly India as Commander of the 22?? Regiment. Any help appreciated.....
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Have found members of our family here and am still looking
for Irish side of the family. Any help would be great.
I am looking for information regarding Edward Roche married Maria Theresa Bourke. Children John Bourke-Roche 1836 NSW and Edward James Tweedie Roche 1834. John went to NZ - don't know about Edward.
Father Edward listed as gentleman and was chief Constable at Yass NSW for a year in 1836. I have been through files of NSW and of 100 years of files only one year missing 1836?
Wondering like may Roches if there is a link to Fermoy or NOT!!! For 5 years I have been searching for information on my mother's side (Roche). All we knew was that the her father was born in NSW. He was the above mentioned John Bourke Roche, b. Yass NSW and baptized at St Philip's Church of England, Sydney, 1836. He sailed around the World and ended up in Greymouth, New Zealand (my home). He owned a Stationary and Bookshop there.
Older brother (above)was born same place in 1834, Edward James Tweedie Roche. Their mother lived in NZ with John Bourke, (known on the coast as "honest John"). Where the boy's father went, I have no idea.
The family is Church of England/Anglican. Every Roche I found over the years was Catholic. John Bourke founded the Masonic Lodge in Greymouth and also prominent in the Church Of England there. His brother Edward James Tweedie`s family were also Masons. The man who baptized the boys was a Rev Cowper, known to be anti-Catholic.
Edward`s family is here in Country Victoria in a place called Maffra. My breakthrough came when a person in Sydney reconized three family names of John Bourke Roche on the LDS site. The names were James Bourke and Maria Theresa and Edward Percival. I went back through the records here and found them in Maffra.
What I have now is two brothers in two countries using similar names for their children. It gets complicated.
My maternal grandmother's sister died when she was 4 years old and her father left her to be raised by her Aunt in Greymouth. As part of her inheritance, my mother was left a Deed of Title in Ireland. My father and his sisters saw it, so I know it existed, but it was destroyed in a house fire a few years ago.
In its absence, I have tried to work out which line of Roches I have here? I know that the Masons can be selective and ability to join in that era must have been limited to people of a certain standing.
Edward Roche married Maria Theresa Bourke/Burke, I believe in Co. Tipperary. Maria Theresa`s parents were Capt. John Robert Bouke/Burke and Jane Percival/Perceval. Jane Perceval I believe was AKA Jane Brereton. Her parents were married at St Peters, Dublin in 1803. They may have been related to Sir Richard Bourke/Burke, Governor of NSW. Sir Richard's family married into the Burkes and the Percival/Percevals. Thus Edward Roche would have access to the Masonic Lodge.
In 1834 Edward Roche is listed in Sydney as a Gentleman. In 1836 Edward is listed as a chief Constable in Yass. Later, he just disappears (dead???).
Such positions were reserved for ex-military or people with the right connections. He may have entered Australia through Sir Richards people, as there is no word of him in shipping records.
I believe he was a part of the Fermoy clan, (my Aunts, now in their 80`s, were always told they were) but oral tradition is never certain.
Edward had 8 children - 2 died within 7 days. 2 never married or had children, 1 male died at age 30 and one at 32 never marrying or having children.
They named two boys James Edward Roche and one James Bourke Roche, the latter in turn named his son James Bourke Roche.
Edward/Edmund Roche, Baron of Fermoy, I would say had two Edwards. That is why it is important for me to find out what their middle names were and where they came from - if only to set the record straight.
John Bourke Roche m. Emma Louisa Gibbs from England whose family owns part of BSA motorcylces but then was in munitions. Her grandmother was a lady in waiting. John Bourke was a wealthy man and when he died Emma got everything. She was Catholic whom he had forbidden to go to church. When she died, she left it the entire etate.
Edward m. Sarah Maloney, also Catholic, and they were not
buried together in his COE plot. She is in a Catholic plot in another area.
Bear in mind that Maria Theresa Roche (nee Bourke/Burke`s mother Jane Percival/Perceval) were military people.
Also John Bourke Roche had a son called Ireton who died in his 30`s, a name from Irish history - a man who served with Cromwell!