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Pyle Family

Posted: 16 Feb 2008 1:50PM GMT
Classification: Lookup
Hi, My name is Allyson Pyle and I was wondering if anyone knew the parents or even grand parents,of Howard Pyle...Aka Artist and Writer. I would also like to know if anyone else is related to him in some way? Thanks!

Re: Pyle Family

Posted: 16 Feb 2008 11:50PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: PYLE
Allyson -

Howard Pyle is a descendant of Robert Pyle, of Bishops Cannings, Wiltshire, England. Robert came to Pennsylvania in 1683, his brother Nicholas Pyle soon after, and their brother Ralph settled for good in PA about 1699 or so.

The line of ascent from Howard Pyle (1853-1911) back up to Robert Pyle (1660-1730) goes like this (note, not all ascendants included):


> Howard Pyle (b. 1853, d. 1911) m. Anne Poole. 8 Children
>
> Howard Pyle was the son of William Pyle:
>
> William Pyle (b. 1820, d. 1892) m. Margaret Churchman Painter (b. 1825 d. 1885)
>
> Children: Howard, Phebe, Clifford, Walter, Katherine
>
> William Pyle was the son of Issac Pyle
>
> Isaac Pyle (b. 1774, Sadsbury Twp, d. 1855, Hockessin, DE) m. #1 Sarah Odgen, #2 Ann Webb (b. 1784 d. 1831). All kids are I think from Ann
>
> Children
>
> Cyrus Pyle M 17 Sep 1809 in London Grove, Chester, Pennsylvania,
> Lamborn Pyle M 9 Apr 1812 in Sadsbury, Lancaster, Pennsylvania,
> Newlin Pyle M 14 Aug 1815 in Pennsylvania,
> Sarah Webb Pyle F 29 Jul 1818
> William Pyle M 12 Oct 1820 in [city], Delaware, Pennsylvania,
> Isaac Pyle M 13 Feb 1823
> Joseph Pyle M 11 Mar 1826 in Christiana Hundred, New Castle, DE,
>

>
> Isaac Pyle was the son of Isaac Pyle
>
> Isaac Pyle (b. 1733 Bethel Twp, d. 1802 in PA). m.#1 Jane Newlin (b. 1738
> Concord Twp., d. 1798 Concord Twp)
>
> Children
>
> Sarah Pyle F abt 1761 in Chester, [county], Pennsylvania, USA
> Jane Pyle F abt 1763 in Kennett, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA
> Esther Pyle F 15 May 1763
> Nathaniel Pyle M abt 1768 in Chester, [county], Pennsylvania, USA
> Mary Pyle F abt 1770
> Isaac Pyle M 21 Jan 1774 in Sadsbury, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA
>
>
>
> Isaac Senior was a son of Joseph Pyle:
>
> Joseph Pyle (b. 1692 Bethel Twp, d. 1754 Concord Twp) m. #1 Sarah Dicks
> and #2 Sarah Pennell
>
> Children
>
> Joseph Pyle M 1718 in Concord, Delaware, Pennsylvania, USA
> Robert Pyle M 1719 in Bethel Township, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA
> Ralph Pyle M 1720 in Bethel Township, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA
> Rachel Pyle F 1726 in Bethel Township, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA
> Sarah Pyle F 1726 in Betherl Township, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA
> Isaac Pyle M 1733 in Bethel, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA
> Abraham Pyle M 1736
> Esther Pyle F 1737 in [city], [county], Pennsylvania, USA
> Martha Pyle F 1739 in [city], [county], Pennsylvania, USA



Finally, Joseph Pyle (above) was one of the children of Robert Pyle (1660-1730), and his wife Ann Stov(e)y. Their children were (I think this is the order of birth; I'm going from memory here):

Sarah (b. ~1682)
Robert (b. ~1684)
William (b. ~1685)
John (b. ~1687)
Mary (b. ~1688)
Olive (b. ~1690)
Jacob (b. ~1691)
Joseph (b. ~1692)
Daniel (b. ~1694)

So anyone who descends from any of the three immigrant Pyle brothers (Robert, Nicholas, Ralph) is related to Howard Pyle, though those that descend through Robert are a bit more closely related than those who descend through Nicholas or Ralph.

And, once again, the Pyle line from Robert to the artist goes

Robert (b.1660)
Joseph (b. 1692)
Isaac (b. 1733)
Isaac (b. 1774)
William (b. 1820)
Howard (b. 1853), the Artist and Writer.


Hope this helps.

-Joe Pyle

PS Apologies if the formatting is bad.

Re: Pyle Family

Posted: 19 Feb 2008 1:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Since you are so informed about the Pyle lines, I hope you can help me. I am trying to locate the parents of Deborah Ann Pyle b. about 1818 in Pennsylvania. She married Joseph Brown 16 May 1833 in Pennsbury, Chester Co, Pennsylvania. Children - Elizabeth Brown b. Sep 1835, d. 27 Sep 1837; William Henry Brown b. 1840, d. 1840 during Civil War @ Hilton Head, SC; Lavina Brown b. Sep 1841;and Phoebe H. Brown b. 1855. Joseph was a stone mason. In 1860,
George Brown b. abt 1790 and Hannah Pyle b. abt 1817 were living with the Browns in Pocoposon, Chester Co, Pennsylvania. Any help that you may have to offer regarding any of these people would be greatly appriciated. I have hit a stone wall on both Joseph Brown and Deborah Ann Plye.
Thanks

Re: Pyle Family

Posted: 12 Apr 2014 2:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, Allyson.

I don't know if you are even still checking posts six years after your initial inquiry, but I am a distant relative myself. I was trying to show my daughter how she was related to Howard Pyle, the illustrator, this morning and I saw your post. So here is how we might be related:

Robert Pyle (1660)-->Joseph Pyle -->Isaac Pyle -->Isaac Pyle -->William Pyle-->Howard Pyle, the illustrator

Robert Pyle (1660)-->John Pyle-->Jacob Pyle-->Caleb Pyle-->Aaron Pyle-->Aaron Pyle-->Reece Pyle-->Howard Pyle, my great-grandfather

John and Joseph were brothers. My great-grandfather, Howard, was born in Wilmington, DE, in 1879, when Howard Pyle the illustrator was 26. Many of the Pyle descendents seem to have grown up in that same area and my grandfather knew his famous cousin. His father, Reece, born in 1858, grew up with Howard, the illustrator, and spent time with him.

I think Howard the illustrator may have had some influence on my grandfather, who became a housepainter and artisan. He put goldleaf (removed before the war) on the original capital dome in Annapolis, which is where he met my great-grandmother. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Hope this is helpful. Apparently, there are lots of us out in the world.

Joanne Lovrinic

Re: Pyle Family

Posted: 29 Jul 2015 7:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pyle
Hi Joanne,

Howard Pyle was my great grandfather also. His son, Godfrey, was my grandfather but he passed away before I was born so I never had the chance to meet him. Godfrey married Martha Harrison and are parents of my father.

Lisa Pyle Lockett
lisalockett@embarqmail.com

Re: Pyle Family

Posted: 29 Jul 2015 9:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pyle
Hi, Lisa.

Thanks for posting. I think you must be the great-granddaughter of Howard Pyle, the writer/illustrator. I am a descendent of Howard B. Pyle, his cousin. They are both descended from Robert Pyle, so we must be cousins, albeit distant ones.

It's great to see how we are all related. I also hear that we may be related to Ernie Pyle the war correspondent.

Joanne

Re: Pyle Family

Posted: 29 Jul 2015 10:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, Joanne,

It's great to connect to another member of the family!! My tree is far from complete and I don't have your Howard B. Pyle listed. Can you give me a little more information on him so I can make the connection? I have wondered if Ernie Pyle was a relation but I haven't found that link yet.

Lisa

Re: Pyle Family

Posted: 30 Jul 2015 1:31AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: PYLE PILE PYLES PILES
Joanne -

Any one descended from the Robert/Nicholas/Ralph Pyle lines (Bishops Cannings, Wiltshire to Chester County, PA) is NOT related to Ernie Pyle, the war correspondent. Ernie comes from a completely separate line, that of William Pyle (ca. 1777-1859) of western PA, who died in Ohio.

This has been proven by Y-chromosome DNA study of descendants of both lines. The Y-chromosome (as you might know) tracks with surname, and Pyle men who are descendants of the Bishops Cannings Pyle family have a Y-chromosome signature that does not match that of Pyle men who are descendants of William Pyle.

One of the reasons that the Pyle(s)/Pile(s) DNA project (which I administer) was started in 2002 was to confirm or refute relation between men who share the Pyle/Pyles/Pile/Piles surname. In fact, there are (to date) approximately 15 distinct genetic Pyle(s)/Pile(s) "families", based on Y-chromosome comparison.

You can see the results of the Y-chromosome testing by viewing the test results at

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Pyle?iframe=yresults

The Bishops Cannings line results are under "I1-BC-Nicholas", "I1-BC-Ralph", and "I1-BC-Robert". Men who have tested who are related to Ernie Pyle are in the group "I1a-William/Stephen Pyle". If you look at the first 12 values in any of the BC members, and compare them to the family to which Ernie belongs, you get:

13 22 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 13 11 29 (Bishops Cannings)
13 22 14 10 13 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 (William/Stephen Pyle)

and you will see that the groups mismatch on 3 of 12 markers. The mismatch only grows if you compare the first 25 or first 37 markers...but only matching 9/12 on the first 12 markers is enough to show that the two families are not related within genealogical (<1000-2000 years) time.

That's why we do the DNA testing. Because DNA, unlike paper or memory, is not subject to lies or forgetfulness. Most of the answers are there - if you ask the right question, and know how to read the results.

You can read more about our Pyle(s)/Pile(s) surname study group at

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/PYLE-DNA/

Joe Pyle
Administrator,
Pyle(s)/Pile(s) surname study at Family Tree DNA

PS - the attachment shows some of the different Pyle(s)/Pile(s) families - it combines their male-line pedigree (that is, their Pyle despondency, father to son) with their Y-chromosome "signature" - the numbers below each Pyle(s)/Pile(s) male in the group who has tested.
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Re: Pyle Family

Posted: 31 Jul 2015 1:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Joe,

Thanks for your post. I had read a query concerning a Caleb Pyle who the poster thought might be related to Ernie Pyle's father, William. I'm glad to hear there is a scientific way to confirm or deny those lineages. Having a genetics background myself I understand most of what you shared, so thank you for that thorough explanation.

By the way, I am descended from Robert Pyle of Bishops Cannings by way of his son John. My maternal great-grandfather, Howard B. Pyle, was born in Wilmington, DE, married Annie Green of Annapolis, MD, had four children, my grandmother, Rosestelle Pyle Adams, and three infant children deceased. The last of the babies was a male and so ended that Pyle line.

Thanks again,
Joanne Lovrinic

Re: Pyle Family

Posted: 31 Jul 2015 10:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks, Joanne - I come through Robert, as well, by his son Jacob (1691-1717).

It might interest you to know that one other major source of Pyle/Pile immigrants to America, the "Wallops" or "Hampshire" branch (which gave us Richard Pile, the surgeon/apothecary, who emigrated to Maryland about 1700, and the Pile family who settled in Barbados) is also of the same family as the Bishops Cannings Pyle family - though the Wallops branch can trace their ancestry back 50-75 years further. We have a gentleman who lives in Australia who has a test in progress - his family descends from Pyle men who lived in Devonshire (Exeter) about 1660 or so --- we want to see if this 16th-17th Devonshire Pyle branch is related to the Pyles in Wiltshire (Bishops Cannings) and Hampshire (the Wallops branch). I have a gut feeling that the Pyle/Pile family centered around Devonshire and Somersetshire (for whom written records go back to the late 13th century is the source for Pyle/Pile families that pops up a little later on 2 or 3 counties east. I'm very excited to get the results.

And you are right - it's a bummer when the Y-chromosome line ends. It is a sad truth that the Y-chromosome is so much more useful for genealogy-time-scale studies than the mitochondrial DNA, or the X-chromosome. Autosomal DNA testing is helping, though....

I was just in Wilmington last weekend (I grew up near West Chester, PA, but am up near Albany, NY, now) - I had never been to the Delaware Art Museum. Nice to see Cousin Howard's amazing art up close and personal! Beautiful stuff :-)

Thanks again, Joanne.

-Joe
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