Hi
I know it is a while since the original post but I have the following info about the Proberts in Manchester. The name "Gadsby" is involved as is a marriage to Elizabeth Bagshaw to whom I am related. Hope it is readable and of some help.
John
Descendants of Richard Probert
Richard Probert1 was born in 1787, died on 31 Oct 1821 aged 34, and was buried on 5 Nov 1821 in Bible
Christian Congregation, King Street, Christchurch, Salford, Lancashire, England.
General Notes: Two baptisms at the Old Independent Chapel at Arthur Street in the parish of
Oswestry, Shropshire :
Probert, Mary, the daughter of Richard Probert, Engraver, of Morda in the Parish of Oswestry, in the
county of Salop, by Margaret, his wife, formerly Margaret Holt, was born Nov 23rd 1810, and baptized
Feb 4th 1811, by John Whitridge, Minister of the Gospel.
Robert Thomas Probert, the son of Richard Probert, Engraver, of Oswestry in the county of Salop, by
Margaret, his wife, formerly Margaret Holt, was born Jan 5th, and baptized Feb 10th 1814, by John
Whitridge, Minister of the Gospel.
Three births from the Register of Births at the St George Street Baptist Chapel of Manchester :
Margaret Probert, daughter of Richard and Margaret Probert, born Dec 14 1817. Reg by W. Merryweather.
William Gadsby Probert, son of Richard and Margaret Probert, born May 5 1820. Reg by W.
Merryweather.
Elizabeth Gadsby Probert, daughter of Richard and Margaret Probert, born May 25 1822. Reg by W.
Merryweather.
Noted events in his life were:
• He resided Nov 1810 to Feb 1814 at Oswestry, Shropshire Engraver.
Richard married Margaret Holt [MRIN: 1442]. Margaret was born in 1787 in Bury, Lancashire, England.
They had three children: Margaret, William Gadsby and Elizabeth Gadsby.
Noted events in her life were:
• She appeared on the census in 1841 at Milbourne Place, Hulme, Manchester, England and was
Aged 45.2
• She appeared on the census in 1851 at 8 Lower Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire
and was (widow) Lady's Nurse; Aged 64.3
• She appeared on the census in 1861 at 15a Herbert Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire,
England and was (widow) (mother in law); Aged 74.4
Margaret Probert was born on 14 Dec 1817 in Salford, Lancashire, England5 and was christened in
St George Street Baptist Chapel, Manchester, Lancashire, England.
Noted events in her life were:
• She appeared on the census in 1841 at Milbourne Place, Hulme, Manchester, England and was
Aged 20.2
• She appeared on the census in 1861 at 8 Lower Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire
and was (unmarr) Servant; Aged 34.6
William Gadsby Probert was born on 5 May 1820 in St George Street Baptist Chapel, Manchester,
Lancashire, England,7 was christened on 4 Dec 1844 in Manchester Cathedral, Manchester,
Lancashire, England, and died in New Zealand.8
Noted events in his life were:
• He appeared on the census in 1841 at Milbourne Place, Hulme, Manchester, England and was
Engraver; Aged 20.9
• He was working as an Engraver on 22 Oct 1844 in Ogden Street, Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire,
England.10
• He appeared on the census in 1851 at 8 Lower Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire
and was Engraver (Calico Printers); Aged 30.6
• He appeared on the census in 1861 at 15a Herbert Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire,
England and was Engraver & Die Sinker; Aged 40.7
William married Elizabeth Bagshaw daughter of William Bagshaw11,12 and
Elizabeth "Unknown", on 22 Dec 1844 in Manchester Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire,
England.10,13 Elizabeth was born circa 1821 in Whitford, Flintshire, Wales, was christened on 2 Jul
1821 in Whitford, Flintshire, Wales,14 and died in 1883 in New Zealand8 aged about 62. They had
seven children: William Augustus, Louisa, John Henry, Amelia, Alfred, Walter and Ada Jane.
Noted events in her life were:
• She appeared on the census in 1841 at Broughton, Manchester, Lancashire, England and was
Female servant; Aged 20.15
• She resided on 22 Oct 1844 at Broughton, Manchester, Lancashire, England Spinster. 10
• She appeared on the census in 1851 at 8 Lower Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire
and was Aged 25.6
• She appeared on the census in 1861 at 15a Herbert Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire,
England and was Aged 38.7
William Augustus Probert6 was born in 1847 in Salford, Lancashire, England.7
Noted events in his life were:
• He appeared on the census in 1861 at 8 Lower Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire
and was Aged 4.6
• He appeared on the census in 1861 at 15a Herbert Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire,
England and was Errand Boy; Aged 14.7
Louisa Probert was born on 22 Mar 1849 in Manchester, Lancashire, England16,17 and was
christened on 26 Jan 1851 in St Thomas' Church, Manchester, Lancashire, England. 18
Noted events in her life were:
• She appeared on the census in 1861 at 15a Herbert Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire,
England and was Aged 12.16
• She appeared on the census in 1861 at 8 Lower Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire
and was Aged 2.19
John Henry Probert was born on 28 Aug 1851 in Manchester, Lancashire, England20 and was
christened on 5 Oct 1851 in St Thomas' Church, Manchester, Lancashire, England. 16,21
Noted events in his life were:
• He appeared on the census in 1861 at 15a Herbert Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire,
England and was Aged 9.16
Amelia Probert was born in 1854 in Manchester, Lancashire, England and was christened on 13
Sep 1854 in Manchester Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England.16,22
Noted events in her life were:
• She appeared on the census in 1861 at 15a Herbert Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire,
England and was Aged 6.16
Alfred Probert was born in 1857 in Manchester, Lancashire, England.
Noted events in his life were:
• He appeared on the census in 1861 at 15a Herbert Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire,
England and was Aged 4.16
Walter Probert was born in 1861 in Manchester, Lancashire, England.
Noted events in his life were:
• He appeared on the census in 1861 at 15a Herbert Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire,
England and was Aged 4 months.16
Ada Jane Probert was born in 1863 in Manchester, Lancashire, England.23
Elizabeth Gadsby Probert was born on 25 May 1822 and was christened in St George Street Baptist
Chapel, Manchester, Lancashire, England.
Noted events in her life were:
• She appeared on the census in 1841 at Milbourne Place, Hulme, Manchester, England and was
Aged 20.24
Footnotes
1. "Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)," database, Ancestry.co.uk (accessed 19 Mar 2013), Marriage
of William Gadsby Probert & Elizabeth Bagshaw; Archive Roll: 711;
Name:«tab»William Gadsby Probert
Age:«tab»Of Full Age
Marriage Date:«tab»22 Dec 1844
Parish:«tab»Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name:«tab»Richard Probert
Spouse's Name:«tab»Elizabeth Bagshaw
Spouse's Age:«tab»Of Full Age
Spouse's Father's Name:«tab»William Bagshaw
2. Census 1841, HO107 / Piece 583 / Book: 8 / Folio: 31 / Page: 10.
3. Census 1851, HO107 / Piece: 2232 / Folio: 245 / Page: 66. Whole family recorded with surname ROBERTS.
4. Census 1861, RG9 / Piece: 2971 / Folio: 44 / Page: 34.
5. Census 1851, HO107 / Piece: 2232 / Folio: 245 / Page: 66.
6. Census 1851, HO107 / Piece: 2232 / Folio: 245 / Page: 66.
7. Census 1861, RG9 / Piece: 2971 / Folio: 44 / Page: 34.
8. lindynz, "Elizabeth Bagshaw," Rootschat, Monday 30 August 10 00:06 BST (UK)
(
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,479273.msg338...);
I have been trying to find out about my great great grandmother Elizabeth Bagshaw. She was born in about 1821 and died in New
Zealand in 1883. I posted a query on the Lancashire board because she was married in Manchester to William Gadsby Probert in
1844, but someone found a census record that said Elizabeth Probert of Manchester was born in Flintshire Wales, and that there were
possible families for her in Bagilt? and Holywell. Can anyone help me to find her? A possible clue- her death certificate says her
father was William, and that she was born in North Wales.
9. Census 1841, HO107 / Piece 583 / Book: 8 / Folio: 31 / Page: 10.
10. "Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)," database Marriage of William Gadsby Probert &
Elizabeth Bagshaw.
13. Free BMD, December quarter 1844 Manchester Ref; 20 607.
14. Bagshaw, Elizabeth baptism record (1821); St Mary (Whitford).
15. Census 1841, Class: HO107; Piece: 579; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Broughton; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 2;
Folio: 28; Page: 16; Line: 25; GSU roll: 438731.
16. Census 1861, RG9 / Piece: 2971 / Folio: 44 / Page: 34.
17. "England, Births & Christenings and Marriages, 1538 - 1975," database, Family Search (
https://familysearch.org : accessed 19
Mar 2013), Birth of Louisa Probert; Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03554-7;
Name:«tab» Louisa Probert
Gender:«tab» Female
Christening Date:«tab»26 Jan 1851
Christening Place:«tab» St. Thomas, Manchester, Lancaster, England
Birth Date:«tab» 22 Mar 1849
Father's Name:«tab»William Probert«tab»
Mother's Name:«tab»Elizabeth
18. "England, Births & Christenings and Marriages, 1538 - 1975," database Baptism of Louisa Probert.
19. Census 1851, HO107 / Piece: 2232 / Folio: 245 / Page: 66.
20. "England, Births & Christenings and Marriages, 1538 - 1975," database Birth of John Henry Probert.
21. "England, Births & Christenings and Marriages, 1538 - 1975," database Baptism of John Henry Probert.
22. "England, Births & Christenings and Marriages, 1538 - 1975," database Baptism of Amelia Probert.
23. Free BMD, Manchester 1863 Ref; 8d 311.
24. Census 1841, HO107 / Piece 583 / Book: 8 / Folio: 31 / Page: 10.