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Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 22 Sep 2012 9:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Jim,
That is great news. I have been working on the Feichtmann family history. I ordered some films from LDS and have been researching birth, death and marriage records. I was at my parent's last weekend and we were looking at several fairy tale books that Uncle Willy gave my father in the 1920s and 1930s as gifts.
Regards,
Sue

Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 26 Nov 2012 2:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Sue,
Success!!! I had another letter from Pamela Lamb and hoped to meet her but she has not replied with a date. I suspect she is pretty old and may be nervous about meeting. However some of the things she wrote were that Lily had had a "companion" called Arthur Stewart and that she died os Pneumonia in Brixton, where she had lived for many years. She could not remember when this was. My Aunt Lily told me once that she thought she remembered that when Lily died, she and her mother thought of going to the funeral but decided against it. This puzzled me but it becomes obvious (at least to an elderly Londoner like me) when you see the death certificate. She died in 1941, when air raids were a daily occurence and travelling, even just across London was not very easy.
Incidentally, I cannot find any reference to a marriage between Arthur Stewart and Helen Doris.
Thanks once again for the information which led to this find 18 years after I started researching Lily B!
Best Wishes
Jim
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Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 26 Nov 2012 10:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
Jim,
I'm so glad that I could be of some help. I hope that you will be able to meet with Pamela Lamb soon.
Regards,
Sue

Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 6:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
Willy Pogany's son, John, taught Art at Peninsula College in Port Angeles, Washington USA during the late 1960's and 1970's. He was my Art History teacher. He had one of his father's paintings hanging in his office and was proud of him. John was a very interesting man, very open about his life before coming to Peninsula, who his father was, and a very good artist in his own right. I'm afraid I lost track of him after I finished with school there...however he did attend my wedding. :)

Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 7:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi
John Pogany was born in London on 5 November 1909 to Willy Pogany and his wife Lillian Rose (nee Doris). They went to the USA at the outbreak of war in 1914. Willy would have been an Enemy alien as he was Hungarian and Britain was at war with Austria-Hungary.
Willys art commands high prices even now.
I am connected to Lillian as her mother and my grandmother were sisters. Both were born in London.
Regards
Jim Garrod

Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 23 Jun 2013 12:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
Willy Pogany was my grandfather's half brother. My grandfather left home when Willy was 2 years old. They were not close but met several times in the United States and my father has a collection of books that Willy sent him for birthday and Christmas presents. John had two children who were living in the Hemet, California area that I have been trying to find. My father and uncle did not have any direct contact with John but they met his brother, Peter, a few years before he died. Pogany is an adopted surname that the family used in the 1900s so that Willy could display his art work in Hungary. His birth name was Vilmos Feichtmann which is our family name.

Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 23 Jun 2013 1:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Sue,
I have been going through my papers on the Poganys and have been wondering about Peter, the second son. I have Mary Doris's will. (She was Will Doris's niece) She leaves various bequests to "Peter David Scott formerly Pogany (the son of my late cousin Mrs Lillian Pogany". His address is given as Appt 308, 4545 Los FelizBoulevard, Los Angeles, 90027, California. Do you have any idea why he might have changed his surname? The Social Security death Index gives Peter's birth as 17 Aug 1921 and his death as 18 Feb 2001. The address code is the same as on the will. The will was made on 28 June 1968 and Mary died on 23 May 1975.
Did Peter have any children? Good luck on your search for John's children.
Jim

Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 23 Jun 2013 8:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pogany, Feichtmann, Feuchtmann
Jim,
I attached a few files for you. There is a letter from Aunt Mary to Peter which is fun. Then a letter from Peter to a Mr. Seaton. He explains why he uses the last name of Scott. I also attached a picture taken ~2000 of the Feichtmanns; Aunt Helen, Uncle George (he died in 2002), my mother Barbara, my Dad, Howard, and Peter Pogany Scott. The copies of the letters I have were given to my Dad by Peter. Peter did not have any children. Peter did not know he had cousins until my Dad and Uncle got the ancestry bug in the late 1990s and looked him up. They corresponded and then finally met. Too bad Peter died within about a year of their meeting.
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Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 24 Jun 2013 12:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pogany, Feichtmann, Feuchtmann
Thank you for the information. Do you name of John's wife, was it Marion? Peter, John's brother, told my father that John had a son who lived in the Seattle area and a daughter who lived in Hemet. If you follow my posts my grandfather was Willy Pogany's half brother. I am researching my father's side of the family and trying to locate John's children.

Re: Willy Pogany

Posted: 30 Jun 2013 6:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Sue,
Thanks for the attachments. First, the letter from Mary Doris. She was the illegitimate daughter of Will Doris’s sister Mary Ann. She was born in Edinburgh on 13 May 1883 and her mother died a few days later. She was taken in by her grandparents, Patrick and Roseanne Doris. She was with Lily in London in the 1911 census.
Uncle Joe was presumably Joseph Doris the 4th son of Patrick and Rosanne born in Glasgow 6 Oct 1871. He had quite an adventurous life didn’t he! Incidentally the Baden Powell mentioned is the man who started the Boy Scouts. There is a good deal about him on the internet.
The Peter mentioned in the letter is a bit of a mystery. I wonder if he was actually Patrick, the third son, called Peter to distinguish him from his father? I will have another search to see if I missed him. I have found his army papers and he joined the Royal Artillery in 1887 and stayed in until 1899. He served in Malta and India and was discharged in early 1899 but was called up again later that year as the South African (Boer) War had broken out. He remained a Gunner (Private) throughout his career and left the army in 1902. He was awarded the South Africa 1899 medal with Cape Colony and Orange Free State clasps and the King’s Medal with 1901 & 1902 clasps.
As for the other letter, the recipient, Jack Seaton was a comedian and Chairman of the Music Hall Society which tries to keep alive the tradition of the old Music Halls. Max Tyler, their historian gave me some information some years ago which clearly came from this letter, but he left out most of the names as some of the people were still alive.
The last paragraph interests me because one of my hobbies is to do voluntary work for Westminster City Archives. Also when I started my research into Lily Burnand, I visited the Theatre Museum Library and pulled out that same picture. This would have been a year or two after Peter Scott’s visit. I then went to the British Library Newspaper Library and looked up The Encore. There was an article about Lily and this gave me a good start.
I am in contact with Pamela Lamb but although she keeps writing that we must meet she never tries to set a date! I am reluctant to push too hard as she must be pretty old as her mother was born in 1892. Both her mother (Marie aka Bunny)and Queenie, Lily’s third daughter lived in India for some time. I am keen to know how and why they went there.
This is probably more than you want to know about the Dorises! I would be interested if you find John's children.
Kind Regards
Jim
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