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William Henry Pipe b. 1843 ???

William Henry Pipe b. 1843 ???

Posted: 8 Mar 2009 9:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pipe, Atterton
My husband and I are searching for a William Henry Pipe, married Julia Atterton and had a son, Henry Edward Pipe, who was married to an Eleanor Mary Jones. Henry Edward Pipe had a son, Cuthbert Edward Pipe, who had a son, my husband, John Cuthbert Pipe.

Re: William Henry Pipe b. 1843 ???

Posted: 10 Mar 2009 7:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
As far as I can tell, your William Henry was baptised 11th Feb 1842 in Middlesex, b Hackney according to the 1851 census ref HO107; Piece: 1478; Folio: 400; Page: 20

You will find his parents are William Edward Pipe, b abt 1814 St George East, Coalmerchant, and Ann Holland, b 1814 Shoreditch, but I haven't found their marriage, presumably before 1837.

Also in 1841 census HO107; Piece 664; Book: 9; Civil Parish: St Mary Islington East; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 22; Folio: 27; Page: 4

If you obtained the marriage cert of William Henry & Julia, it will confirm his parents. GRO Ref Dec Qtr 1874 Hackney Vol 1b page 657

Sorry, but I don't have anything else on this line.

Michael Pipe

Re: William Henry Pipe b. 1843 ???

Posted: 10 Mar 2009 1:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Michael, Thank you so much, you have filled in the missing pieces that I had on my tree. I am going to try and trace the family back as far as possible. Once again, thanks for the info.

Regards,
Denese Pipe

Re: William Henry Pipe b. 1843 ???

Posted: 10 Mar 2009 10:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
More on William Edward, the father:

Proceedings at the Old Bailey:
WILLIAM PIPE, witness name in trial of WILLIAM STRATTON, Theft > stealing from master; WILLIAM PORTER, Theft > stealing from master, 1st March 1841.

993. WILLIAM STRATTON and WILLIAM PORTER were indicted for stealing, on the 20th of February, 1/2 ton of coals, value 15s., the goods of Robert William Samson and another, their masters.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES BUTTIVANT . I am in the employ of Robert William Samson and another, coal-merchants. The prisoners were their wagoner and porter— on the 20th of February I directed a wagon to be loaded, and afterwards saw it loaded, standing in the yard— there were four tons of coals in it— ten sacks were to be delivered at Maryland-terrace, Dover-road, and the remaining thirty at Mr. Nickerson's, of Berraondsey— the wagon returned empty, and went out again.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did you see the forty sacks put into the wagon? A. No— I gave directions for four tons of coals to be put in— I did not weigh or measure them, or see them put in— I only saw the wagon when loaded.

THOMAS FOGO BURNEY . I am weigher to the prosecutors. On the 20th of February I weighed forty sacks of coals into a wagon, and delivered them to the prisoners, to be delivered at Mr. Frost's and Mr. Nickerson's.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you see them put in? A. Yes-Pipe and Co. had ordered the coals-they were the persons to whom we sold them— this ticket is one of Pipe and Co.'s— it applies to these coals— it was given out by Buttiman.

CHARLES BUTTIVANT re-examined. This is the ticket relating to these coals-Pipe and Co. purchased the coals of Mr. Samson, and their name was on the wagon— the prisoners were Messrs. Samson's servants.

WILLIAM PIPE . I supply my customers with coals, by giving orders to Messrs. Samson— I gave them orders to supply three tons of coals to Mr. Nickerson, and one ton to Mr. Frost.

Cross-examined. Q. The wagon was yours, we understand? A. No, it was Messrs. Samson's— my name was on it— it screwed on and off— it is a usual thing in the coal trade— I was the seller.

COURT. Q. Are you liable for the whole of the coals, or only for the quantity delivered? A. For whatever quantity was delivered, no more.

MARY ANN FROST . I am the wife of Thomas Frost, No. 18, Mary-land-place, Dover-road. On the 20th of February I received ten sacks of coals from Messrs. Samson's— I saw them delivered— there were other sacks in the wagon— the prisoners are the persons that delivered them.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you measure your coals after they were delivered? A. No— I saw them shot into the cellar— Mr. Frost ordered them of Mr. Pike— I knew nothing of Messrs. Samson.
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CHARLES NICKERSON . I live in Bermondsey. On the 20th of February some coals were delivered to me by the prisoners— after they were delivered, Stratton came and asked me to come and see the sacks counted— I went, and be counted thirty— he appeared to count right— I saw five empty sacks in the wagon, and five full sacks— I asked Stratton, in Porter's hearing, what those five empty sacks were— he said they were five sacks that he bad left on the road— I also remarked about the five full sacks— he said they were five he had got to leave elsewhere— I gave him 6d. and they went away— when I looked at the coals afterwards, there appeared lets than I thought there should be— I locked the cellar door, and weighed them, on the following day, only those in the dye-house, not those in the house— I found half a ton deficient— there were very few coals in the cellar previously, not a quarter of a hundred weight— we had had a hundredweight in the day before.

Cross-examined. Q. When did these coals come in? A. Between one and two o'clock on Saturday, and I began weighing them about nine o'clock next day, and finished about eleven or twelve— there were some other coals shot into the house— I did not weigh them that morning— I did when the policeman came on the Wednesday following, and they were all quite right.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. When did you lock your cellar up? A. Within a quarter of an hour of receiving the coals.

WILLIAM DYER . I am servant to Mr. Nickenon. I helped him to weigh the coals on Sunday morning, and found a deficiency of half a ton, or a little better— I knew what coals were in the cellar before.

(The prisoners received good characters.)
STRATTON— GUILTY . Aged 33.
PORTER— GUILTY . Aged 24.
Confined Twelve Months.

Re: William Henry Pipe b. 1843 ???

Posted: 10 Mar 2009 10:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Oh my, glad he was on the right side of the law...:) Thank you so much, my husband will get a kick out of reading this when he arrives home...

Regards,
Denese

Re: William Henry Pipe b. 1843 ???

Posted: 1 Jan 2013 11:58AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,

My 3 x great grandfather's brother was Thomas Fogo Burney. They both migrated to Australiain the mid 18th century. He gave a good account of the matter.

Regards,

Tracey Burney, Melbourne, Australia.

Re: William Henry Pipe b. 1843 ???

Posted: 2 Apr 2015 7:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Burney Barker
Tracey,
Which brother was your great grandfather then? I have records of
i William Vinson Burney was christened 1 in 1786 in Antony, Cornwall, England.
ii George Burney was christened 1 in 1788 in Antony, Cornwall, England.
iv Charles Burney was christened 1 in 1792 in Antony, Cornwall, England.
v James Frederick Augustus Burney
vi John Beasley Burney was christened 1 about 1802 in Antony, Cornwall, England. He died in 1884 in Devon (So it wasn't him).

Their father, John Burney, RN, who died 1830, was also my ancestor, through through his second wife Sarah Barker, and their daughter Emily Vernon Barlow Burney.

I would be interested in hearing more of the Australian family. You can find some information on the Burneys at Richard van Schaik's site, see http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/kwartierstaat/pafg403.htm#81045.

I think it was John Beasley Burney who ran a steamboat company on the Thames, and had a patent for the improvement of steam engines.





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