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Pipe coat of arms

Posted: 27 Feb 2009 6:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pipe
Does anyone have a definitive Coat of Arms for the Pipes.
I have a written historiography (my father's version)which describes it as 'Gold: blue horizontal band between six blue crosses. There's no motto. It has come from 'Sovereign, 563 Boundary Rd; Cornwall, Ontario' (Don't know how he came by it - we're in England)
I was given a shield depicting 2 white horse heads (top right and bottom left) on black background with yellow band from top left to bottome right in which there are 2 black fleur-de-lils bordered with gold.

Re: Pipe coat of arms

Posted: 28 Feb 2009 12:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
A short answer to your question, “no”, there is no 'definitive' Pipe arms.

There is no such thing as a Coat of Arms for a family. Arms could be granted to an individual, which may possibly be hereditary in some instances via a direct line (eldest heir to eldest heir etc).
In the past several arms were granted to various Pipes, all of them originating from the Staffordshire line. There is no evidence that any Pipe from Suffolk had any right to arms, and most of the lines of succession from Stafford appear to be extinct.

The FIRST one that you refer to is one that is touted on the Internet by various irresponsible companies who do absolutely no research to back up their claims. If they did their research they would find that this one was granted to Sir Thomas de la Pipe (Staffordshire) by Edward II around 1320, described as “Azure, crusily 3,3, and Fess Or” in the Parliamentary Roll. This line has no descendants as far as is known, so the arms are extinct.

The arms that are most usually associated with the name of Pipe are others that were granted in Staffordshire and are totally different from those that you describe. The line also became extinct when the only heiress passed her inheritance to the Vernon family, the arms going with it. These arms c 1380 (Azure, crusily, two pipes pileways Or) can be seen at various places in Haddon Hall, Derbyshire, and also in Tong Church, Shropshire, on the tomb of Sir Richard Vernon (d 1467) and Margaret Swynfen his wife, heiress of Sir Robert Pype.

Sir Richard Pipe, Lord Mayor of London, also a descendant of the Staffs Pipes, was granted arms around 1587, but this was his grant, not the Pipe name as a whole.
Another line from Staffs, Pipe-Wolferstan has the right to arms since Jun 8th1776, which also contains Pipe, but that is for one specific line.


The second one that you describe is from “Burke’s General Armory 1848”. The description is:
“Sable, on a bend Or, between two nag’s heads erased Ar, three fleur-de-lis of the first.”
It is attributed to Pipe, Cottenham, Cambridgeshire. This one gave me the run-around for some time, until I finally discovered that it had been attributed incorrectly to Pipe, and was in fact the arms of Pepys, as in Samuel Pepys, who was from Cottenham.

Re: Pipe coat of arms

Posted: 11 Nov 2012 12:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Tomori
I have one too, my mothers dad's last name was Tomori. It depicts that in 1975 alone, out of the whole country of Canada, there were only 50 households that had that ancient last name out of 40 000 different last names at that time. It also has a shield that is cut up in quarters and topped with a small shield, which looks like the canadian shield of ontario. It has two towers that signifies grandeur and defense, the other two quarters are filled with a dot and line pattern. When I did a search for this address on google, nothing came up at all. But, when I reduced the names to acronyn I come up with 563 BC, which is the birth year of Siddhartha Gautama *Buddha... My grandfather was from Budapest, hungary, apparently, and we lived in Sudbury, Ontario our whole life. Sudbury is the spot that marks the birthplace of a whole new era, the ice age....it is create by a meteor 2.1 billion years ago, so is Wanapitae lake.

I have tried contacting the Ottawa libraries, history dept, everything but it seems to me no one has answers. Have you been successful?

Re: Pipe coat of arms

Posted: 11 Nov 2012 12:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pipe, Tomori
Andrea. I've given up worrying about coat of arms a long time ago. It would be worth your while to just read a good book on the subject to understand it fully or to attend a short lecture as I have done in London. Also read Michael Pipe's answer to my original query.
Best of luck
Veronica
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