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PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 9 Jul 2004 6:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 11 Apr 2005 11:37AM GMT
Surnames: PHIBBS, FIBBS
Hi,
I would love to get in contact with any Phibbs/Fibbs' or related families of Scotland. i believe there have been some in Glasgow/Lanarkshire. It is a fairly unusual name in Scotland I have been researching it for some time and would love to share info. You can post here or email me direct at silver.sarah16@virgin.net.
Regards,
Sarah

Re: PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 11 Jul 2004 6:50AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Phibbs, Fibbs
The 1861 Census index for Glasgow has two PHIBBS but no FIBBS:

William, aged 11, born Stirling
Marion, aged 9, born Stirling

The ref is 644/3, district 40, page 13, lines 23 and 24.

You need to view the actual census data on microfilm, to get all of the details (address, etc.).

There are none in the 1861 Census index for the rest of Lanarkshire.

I hope this helps

Re: PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 11 Jul 2004 1:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: PHIBBS
Hi Murray,
Thanks for that info. I am aware of those Phibbs'- in fact, my line goes right back to them. Do you have access to teh 1841 census at all? Those you listed, were the children of a Matthew Phibbs married ca 1845 in Stirlingshire or Lanarkshire (not sure which) and he was recorded on the 1851 Kilsyth census as an Irish immigrant and I have been trying to find out if he was already in Scotland by 1841 or if any other Phibbs' were on that census (in fact on the 1851 census Matthew's name was spelt "Ffibss" which makes matters mor difficult). I am also trying to contact any living Phibbs' relatives so would love to hear from anybody.
Thanks again.
regards,
Sarah

Re: PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 11 Jul 2004 6:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Phibbs, Fibbs, Wardrope, Gardner
The IGI has the marriage of a Matthew PHIBBS and an Elizabeth WARDROPE in about 1845 in Kilsyth, Stirlingshire.
It states that Matthew was born in 1820 in Kilsyth.

It gives Elizabeth's parents as Simon WARDROPE and Marion GARDNER.

The children of Matthew and Elizabeth are given as:
James, 25 Sept 1856
William, 6 Aug 1849
Marion, 7 March 1852
Matthew, 10 Dec 1854
all born in Kilsyth.

This looks likely to be your Matthew.

Why were the children on their own in 1861?

Re: PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 11 Jul 2004 6:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 11 Apr 2005 11:41AM GMT
Surnames: PHIBBS, FIBBS, KEATING
Hi,
Thank again for that information. That IGI record is the Matthew I am searching for, but it was submitted by an individual and is incorrect as I know for certain that Matthew was born in Ireland. Matthew died between 1854-6, though as yet i have not been able to find a death record for him (I have tried scotlandspeople.gov and there is nothing in the OPR or Statutory records for his death). I have never seen the 1861 Scottish census so i have no idea why they were on their own- they also had another, not much older brother (as his shown in the IGI records you posted- he was called James and also only a child in 1861) so I don't know why they were on their own at all. Was there anybody else given in their household? Matthew's wife Elizabeth remarried in 1861 to a John Keating so perhaps they lived with a John and Elizabeth Keating? I have no idea why their brother James was not with them.. I have also tried desperately to find a copy of Matthew and Elizabeth's original marriage record but again to no avail. I imagine they were married in Stirlingshire or Lanarkshire (As their first two children were born in Airdrie according to the orginal OPRs) and it was probably, as the IGI records states about 1845 but without the original marriage record (or Matthew's death record) I cannot find out who Matthews parents were. I have been working on this sometime and have had absolutely no luck whatsoever. Any info or advice is incredibly appreciated.
Thanks again.
Sarah

Re: PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 12 Jul 2004 10:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Phibbs, Fibbs, Keating
I have searched the 1861 census index again and I now realise that the children were not on their own.
The index does not include the relationship details recorded in the census proper.

The family appears to be:
KEATINGS, John, 36, born in Ireland
KEATINGS, Elizabeth, 40, born Stirling
PHIBBS, William, 11, born Stirling
PHIBBS, Marion, 9, born Stirling
KEATINGS, Elizabeth, 3, born Glasgow
KEATINGS, Helen, 1, born Glasgow

also, possibly:
GUERNY, Marion, 62, born Stirling
(you will need to check the microfilm to be sure)

Perhaps they were Roman Catholics? Have you tried their registers? If not, see http://www.catholic-heritage.net/archives.htm

Many deaths prior to 1855 do not appear in the indexes. There is a current Scottish Association of Family History Societies project to compile an index to burials recorded in the OPR's.

Re: PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 13 Jul 2004 10:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 10 May 2012 9:33PM GMT
Surnames: Phibbs,
Hi,
Thank you again for all your help. i actually have a copy of Elizabeth Wardrope and John Keating's marriage record and the marriage was indeed catholic. However, as far back as we have been able to trace, the Phibbs' line has been quite staunchly protestant. For example, all of Matthew and ELizabeth's children were later married under the Church of Scotland. I am guessing, therefore, that it is likely that Matthew would also have been Protestant. Or do you know if it was common for the children of Catholics to later marry under Church of Scotland? I have not yet tried the Catholic archive for this reason..
Regards,
Sarah

Re: PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 13 Jul 2004 7:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 11 Apr 2005 11:46AM GMT
Surnames: Phibbs, Fibbs, Brown, Donnelly
Do try the Roman Catholic archives.

Given that Elizabeth's second marriage was Roman Catholic, her first marriage may have been Roman Catholic as well.
(Perhaps Matthew was Protestant but she was Roman Catholic)

The Poor Law index for Glasgow has two possible connections:

Susan PHIBBS, married name BROWN, born abt. 1809 in Ireland, Sligo, applied 1879, ref D-HEW 10/5/60, Page 14

Ann FIBBS, married name DONNELLY, born abt. 1841 in Ireland, Sligo, applied 1891, ref D-HEW 17/356 Page 467

The original records are held by the Glasgow Archives in the Mitchell Library. Email archives@cls.glasgow.gov.uk.

Re: PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 14 Jul 2004 8:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 11 Apr 2005 11:49AM GMT
Surnames: Phibbs, Fibbs
Hi,
Thank you again for all the information. it is most interesting. I certainly shall try the Catholic Archive. Despite searching for Phibbs' records on the scotlandspeople website I have never come across a Susan Phibbs (though I was aware of Ann Fibbs and have her marriage certificate). Any other suggestions/info would be gratefully received.
Regards,
Sarah

Re: PHIBBS/FIBBS

Posted: 10 May 2012 6:15AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi again. The information that you are gathering, is part of my genaealogy. There were four children for Elizabeth and Matthew, and they were:- James, William, Marion and Matthew. William was my Great-grandfather. His wife was Agnes Banks. Her mother was Mary and father Andrew my great-great-grandparents. They migrated to New Zealand. If you have any interest in them, they largely settled in the lower half of the South Island, New Zealand, and the place was Kaitangata.
Matthew and Elizabeth married in 1845. in Kilsyth, Stirlingshire, Scotland. Matthew was born in Ireland. Every so often, Matthew's father would take him over the border from Scotland, and let him show his hand as a miner. I have to admit, that I am unsure as to who was his mother and father. I am sorry for butting into your conversation with your friend. Margaret
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