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Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

P A MagLOCHLAINN (View posts)
Posted: 9 Nov 2005 7:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Laura Phair,

Thank you for your prompt reply to my e-mail query. Are you interested in your aunt Olive's ancestry? A few friends and I came up with this -

01. Olive Muriel PHAIR
(born 8 August 1911 Belfast; died 12 May 1983)
=
George Presley SPEER
(born 29 September 1907; died 12 February 1988)
and had 8 children.

02. John Edward PHAIR
(born 10 July 1874 Northern Ireland)
= c1906 =
03. Georgina Osborne DOUGLAS
(born 20 Nov 1874 probably Rosebrook, Dungiven, Co Derry; died after 18 Sep 1942)

05. Jane THOMPSON
(born c1850 probably NI; died c1920 probably NI).

06. James Smyth DOUGLAS of Rosebrook
(born 24 Feb 1842 (Ardinarive?) Co Derry; died 23 July 1905 probably Ardinarive, Co Derry)
= 14 July 1870 St Mary’s Parish church, Belfast =
07. Jane OSBORNE
(born 16 June 1844 Co Derry; died 23 May 1921 probably Ardinarive, Co Derry)
and had 8 children.

12. Andrew SMITH of Tobermore
(born c1798 probably Tobermore, Co Derry; died 29 May 1868 Rosebrook, Dungiven, Co Derry)
= 25 January 1838 at Rosebrook =
13. Anne EDWARDS
(born 22 May 1800 probably Straw, Dungiven, Co Derry; died after 1866 probably Rosebrook, Dungiven, Co Derry)
and had 2 sons.

24. James SMYTH of Drumballyhagan
(born c1761 probably Drumballyhagan; died c1831 probably Drumballyhagan)
= c1797 =
25. Elizabeth DOUGLAS
(born c1766 probably Rosebrook, Dungiven, Co Derry;
died c1836 probably Drumballyhagan)
and had 6 children.

26. James EDWARDS of Leeke, Dungiven, Co Derry
(born c1763 probably Leeke, Dungiven, Co Derry;
died before 16 Aug 1810 probably Leeke, Dungiven, Co Derry)
= c1786 =
27. Anne DOUGLAS
(born c1768; died c1847 probably Leeke, Dungiven, Co Derry)
and had 10 children.

50. Rev James DOUGLAS of Limavady, Co Derry
(born c1737; died c1807)
= c1763 =
51. Margaret CLARK
(born c1742 probably Co Derry; died c1812)
and had 9 children.

52. Edward EDWARDS of Straw, Dungiven, Co Derry
(died after 7 March 1777 probably Straw, Dungiven, Co Derry)
= c1746 =
53. Mary CASKEY
(born 1721; died after 7 March 1777 probably Straw, Dungiven, Co Derry)
and had 7 children.

54. Rev James DOUGLAS of Limavady, Co Derry
(born c1737; died c1807)
= c1763 =
55. Margaret CLARK
(born c1742 probably Co Derry; died c1812)
and had 9 children.

We have information on various collateral relatives on this pedigree; but we didn't know about Jane THOMPSON's husband, or much about her.

Would you like to swop information with us?

Yours cordially,

P A MagLOCHLAINN

Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

Laura Phair (View posts)
Posted: 9 Nov 2005 9:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Phair, Thompson
I would be glad to swap information with you, although I must warn you I do not have much to share about John or Jane. I have my notes packed for a remodeling project so I will not be able to get information to you right away. I do know that John Phair and Jane Thompson did not die in Northern Ireland, nor did they ever live there that I know of. I tried unsuccessfully to locate their grave sites when I was over there in 2002. We visited with Theresa Bowan, the same estate resident whom Bud and Ina Speer met with on their 1989 visit, and she thought they probably lived at the Cloncoo Cottage until shortly before their deaths. I cannot remember the location I have for their deaths (have it in my notes) but Theresa said that location indicates they were probably at a convalescent-type facility when they died. They would have been taken "home" by family members for burial. I have not been able to identify which family members that was or where they were living. We checked the cemetery on the estate, as well as those in Mohill and another nearby town but did not find anything. We also visited the cemetery in Dungiven and saw the grave of James Smythe Dougas, his uncle, and Anne Douglas (have photos). Hope to have more information before my next trip, possibly next year.

Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

P A MagLOCHLAINN (View posts)
Posted: 10 Nov 2005 5:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Ah, so you already knew about the James Smythe DOUGLAS connection! And there was me thinking I was going to have a nice surprise for you...
The research I was referring to was actually centred on James Smyth DOUGLAS's family, whom I hope some day to connect to my Ancestress No 13, Roseanna (DOUGLAS) CORBETT.
Did you come across the saga of his will?
Cordially,
P A

Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

Laura Phair (View posts)
Posted: 10 Nov 2005 6:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
I am not sure what 'saga' you are referring to. I initially hit a roadblock in tracing the line James Smythe DOUGLAS line, but during my visit to Dungiven I met with a wonderful gentleman by the name of Mr. WIlliam Douglas who was able to shed some light on the situation. James Smythe took on the surname of Douglas in order to inherit his uncle's estate. I had been trying to trace him as a Douglas, not as a Smythe. Mr. Douglas, although unrelated to our Douglas line, was a wealth of information. He is one of the most knowlegable people in that area on the Douglas family. He owns several hundred acres of land and is one of the more prominent fanchers in that area. He lives just across the road from "Rosebrook" house, where my great-grandmother Georgina was born. The Rosebrook estate was broken up when it was sold and his family purchased part of it. He has acquired additional holdings since then. In addition to taking us over to the family home, he took us to the Bovevagh Church and Cemetery. We were able to go inside and see the "Douglas Family Pew" which now belongs to his family, see the organ Annie Douglas donated in memory of her parents (he gave my father the inscribed nameplate as the organ is no longer is use), and took us through the cemetery where we found the headstones for James Smythe Douglas, William Douglas and Annie Douglas. I have photos of all of these locations if you are interested. I will have to check my notes and see if I have anything on Roseanna (DOUGLAS) CORBETT. The name sounds vaguely familiar, but I since I was mainly focusing on direct ancestral lines I pretty much filed all the information I collected on siblings and spouses. I will certainly check when I can get to my notes. I am hoping to complete the last of the remodeling and have the office resored to use by the first of the year. I'll keep in touch.

Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

P A MagLOCHLAINN (View posts)
Posted: 10 Nov 2005 7:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
I was referring to the long story of James Smyth DOUGLAS's will, which led to a whole genealogical round-up because he forgot to specifically assign the residue of his (considerable) estate. His executors had to trace all his possible heirs, or their then representatives, since many were already dead.
Along with a lady in Mountain View CA, and another in Shreveport LA, I worked out the names of many of these descendants, both in Ireland and in the USA. But I presume you have already been through all this?
Yours cordially,
P A

Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

Laura Phair (View posts)
Posted: 10 Nov 2005 8:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Actually this is the first I've ever heard of it. My great-grandmother (Georgina Douglas) died when my father was still young which is probably why he never mentioned it. I'll have to ask him if he knows about it. I do know my great-grandfather (John Edward) made his only return visit to Ireland around that time - maybe that was why. Sounds fascinating - I'd love to know the whole story.

Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

Susan Douglas Schumacher (View posts)
Posted: 3 Mar 2006 2:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Laura,
Let me introduce myself. I am a direct line decendent of the Reverend James Douglas and Margaret Clark through their son Jackson (who married Jane Davies dau. of Rev. Jacob Davies) and his son Jacob Davies Douglas (who married Mary Ann Guthrie). My record shows that the Jackson Douglas family and some of his sisters and husbands, one of which was Rebecca (wife of Thomas Smythe), immigrated to Baltimore, MD in 1798. Some relocated to Alexandria, VA soon thereafter. Somewhere in my files, I have the actual letter that talks about James Smythe inheriting the property at Rosebrook if he legally changes his name to Douglas.

I have been trying, for what seems to be years, to piece together the family that remained behind in Ireland. Thankfully, I ran across this message board for Londonderry. Would you please correspond with me. I would especially be interested in anything you could provide about Reverend James Douglas, his ancestry and his children. I will share other detailed and source-verified information that I have.

All the best, Susan Douglas Schumacher

Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

Susan Douglas Schumacher (View posts)
Posted: 3 Mar 2006 2:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,

Let me introduce myself. I am a direct line decendent of the Reverend James Douglas and Margaret Clark through their son Jackson (who married Jane Davies dau. of Rev. Jacob Davies) and his son Jacob Davies Douglas (who married Mary Ann Guthrie). My record shows that the Jackson Douglas family and some of his sisters and husbands, one of which was Rebecca (wife of Thomas Smythe), immigrated to Baltimore, MD in 1798. Some relocated to Alexandria, VA soon thereafter. Somewhere in my files, I have the actual letter that talks about James Smythe inheriting the property at Rosebrook if he legally changes his name to Douglas.

I have been trying, for what seems to be years, to piece together the family that remained behind in Ireland. Thankfully, I ran across this message board for Londonderry. Would you please correspond with me. I would especially be interested in anything you could provide about Reverend James Douglas, his ancestry and his children. I will share other detailed and source-verified information that I have.

I sent a copy of this reply to Laura Phair too just to cover all the bases.

All the best, Susan Douglas Schumacher

Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

Laura Phair (View posts)
Posted: 5 Mar 2006 2:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Great to hear from you. I would be more than happy to share everything I have, however I do not think I have much that would be of interest to you. I have done very little research up to this point. I only started on the Douglas research after I visited Rosebrook (Douglas family estate) in 2002. We were hosted by a wonderful gentleman by the name of William Douglas. Although not related to my Douglas line, he lives across from Rosebrook and himself owns some of the property that was once part of the estate. He not only took us to the house, but also to the Bovevagh Church and Cemetery. I have photos of the Rosebrook House, the inside and outside of the church, and of the Douglas headstones in the cemetery if you are interested. I hope to make a return trip in the not too distant future to do more research. You can contact me directly at: lauraphair@earthlink.net I just started unpacking my family history stuff (packed everything last April to do some remodeling and of course the project took much longer than I had anticipated. I will pull my notes on the Douglas line and see what I have. I look forward to hearing corresponding with you. I have not found many people researching the line, or any of my lines for that matter. I look forward to hearing form you. Laura

Re: John Phair/Jane Thompson

Posted: 10 Jul 2006 7:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: DOUGLAS, SMYTHE, EDWARDS, OSBORNE THOMPSON
I am a direct line decendent of the Reverend James Douglas and Margaret Clark through their Daughters Elizabeth and Ann Nancy Douglas,( there children married their cousins); Andrew Smith and Anne Edwards and begat James Smith Douglas who married Martha Jane Osborn, they had 8 children, Georgina is my great grandmother

I have the " Will " that talks about James Smythe inheriting the property at Rosebrook, if he legally changes his name to Douglas.

also others in this line; Jackson Douglas who married Jane dau. of Rev. Jacob Davies, 4 children; James, Jacob Davies, Samuel, Sarah Glen.

Jacob Davies Douglas married Mary Ann Guthrie and had 10 children


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