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Francisco da MOURA, born ~1870, Sao Maguel, Azores (married ~1890 Faial, Azores)

bbffrrpp — 2014-10-31 10:55:41Z

Hello,

For the last few years, I've only been able to work on my "brick walls" * ... and mostly on my own family-tree (all from U.K.). But, I try to still work on my husband's family-tree - and those "brick walls."

One of the brick-walls is about trying to find out who Francisco MOURA or Francisco da MOURA was. He was reportedly born on Sao Miguel and probably ~1870. His widow and children who went to Massachusetts told that "Frank" was a "whaler." He seems to have died ~1905, and possibly he died at sea. ???

The family also told that they came from Sao Miguel, but Azorean researchers told me this year that they were not. Francisco somehow met .. Philomena da ROSA, who had been born in Horta ?, Faial / Fayal, ~1872. And, I'm told they married on Faial ~1890. And, I'm told all of their children were born there:

Manuel, b~1891, Elzira / Elsita, b1893, Ernesto "Bernardo," b~1895, Rosa, b~1898, and Carolina, b1905. They might have lost at least one baby or child.

I don't know if the family remained on Fayal, or moved to Sao Miguel. Researchers tell me the widow and children probably left from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.

I'm writing this morning to ask if anyone knows of a MOURA or da MOURA family on Sao Miguel, who had a son there ~1870.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Board Administrator

(on Lists and Boards for 14 yrs.; now an Admin for 11 Lists and 5 Boards)

FYI: The widow, Mrs. Philomena MOURA, seems to have brought each of her daughters over to Massachusetts separately - from 1905 to 1910. And I believe her 2 sons, "Manny" and "Frank," married first, and then came over to MA. Daughter, "Elsie" married in Cambridge, MA, to Antone PACHECO. He had been born ~1885 in the village of Sao Roque, right beside Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel. ... We have no way of knowing whether Francisco MOURA and Joao PACHECO knew each other. Antone's parents were Joao "Joseph" PACHECO and Jacintha de Jesus COSTA.

Also, Manuel married Carolena "Cora" (unknown) probably on Faial. And, Ernesto Bernardo "Frank" married Anna "Annie" (unknown) probably on Faial. From Massachusetts ~1920, "Manny" and "Cora" MOURA moved to NYC and settled in Brooklyn, NY. There were other MOURA families there when they arrived. ... And, "Frank" and "Annie" MOURA from MA ~1920 moved to Oakland, CA (San Francisco Bay). There were other MOURA families there when they arrived.

(Researchers found mention that Frank and Annie MOURA returned to the Azores at retirement. And, they returned to CA to visit their family for the celebration of their 50th anniversary.)

I believe it was 1948 when Mrs. "Phoebe" MOURA passed in Cambridge, MA. We have no way of knowing whether her sons traveled to MA to attend her funeral.

Haroldo A. De Moura of Sao Vicente, Brazil 1945

drbrownlee — 2014-01-26 02:34:26Z

Haroldo is pictured in The Slipstream, yearbook of the 45-E class at Garner Field in Uvalde, Texas. He is a flight cadet. I'm not kin but thought this might help someone researching the family.

Re: Moura Family Tree

Rumor254 — 2013-09-30 19:29:07Z

This message seems sort of off topic . I too have been researching - my great grandfather was also killed in a car accident in 1928 . At the time his oldest daughter - who would be my grandmother had to leave school and help her mother . She then married someone of polish descent and had 3 children ? 2boys and a girl . I am the daughter of that girl . I was born at Brady Maternity Hospital in1965. My mother was already married and had a son on 5 or 6 when I was born . I believe she separated from her husband and might have become pregnant . I believe she reunited with husband before my birth and I was given up for adoption Namaste Yvonne - if this seems plausible please respond . Have had a great life just want to know my history .

Re: Moura Family Tree

bbffrrpp — 2013-05-12 18:08:21Z

Hello,

It is now May 2013, I have tidbits of new information on my husband's family-tree. First, I found out that the one son, known as "Frank," was actually, Ernesto B. MOURA, b1895 Azores. His birth name was not Francisco(Jr.). And this is the correct birth order: Manuel, b1891, Elzira "Elsie," b1893, Ernesto, b1895, Rosa, b1898, and Carolina, b~1900.

Also, good news. During the past few months, I have connected with descendants of the 2 MOURA brothers. The older brother, Manuel MOURA, was in NYC from 1920's, and I just heard from his descendant in NY State within the past month. And 2 mos. ago I heard from a descendant of Ernesto "Frank" MOURA, from Oakland, CA. Most of the family is still in the San Francisco Bay area. Neither family has offered information, but mostly because they don't know about their Azorean ancestry.

Also, I found out that Mrs. Filomena Augusta (da ROSA) MOURA (known as "Phoebe" in US), came from Horta, Faial, with ties to Pico. Even though her husband, Francisco MOURA, came from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, they had married in Faial. And, "Frank" (father) seems to have died ~1905, and that's when "Phoebe" started sending her daughters to the US. And, she stated she was coming over to stay with her brother, Antonio da ROSA, in Cambridge, MA. I just found this out last month.

I believe her 2 sons were already married when they came to the US ~1915. Her 3 daughters were all married in Cambridge, MA (or Somerville, MA). Mrs. MOURA died in 1949, and the 3 daughters all died in the 1980's, all widowed young. I do not know when the 2 sons died. I found out that Ernesto and his wife returned to the Azores.

That's all for now.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Re: MOURA marriage in Cambridge, MA, 1915

bbffrrpp — 2013-03-19 14:43:18Z

Hi again,

A big OOPS. I just noticed I should have been searching for Philomena's brother, Antonio ROSA. :o)

Betty (near Lowell, MA)

MOURA marriage in Cambridge, MA, 1915

bbffrrpp — 2013-03-19 14:41:09Z

Hello,

While looking for more information on my husband's MOURA ancestors, I just came across this marriage record which might help someone.

Name: Antonio De Moura
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 04 Jul 1915
Event Place: Cambridge, , Massachusetts
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Marital Status:
Race:
Birth Date: 1893
Birthplace: , , Portugal
Registration Year:
Registration Place: Cambridge, , Massachusetts
Birth Year (Estimated): 1893
Father's Name: Manuel De Moura
Father's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Name: Antonina Jacintha
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Spouse's Name: Maria Sousa
Spouse's Titles and Terms:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Sousa
Spouse's Father's Titles and Terms:
Spouse's Mother's Name: Antonina Silva
Spouse's Mother's Titles and Terms:
Certificate Number: 16380
GS Film number: 2411235
Digital Folder Number: 4329375
Image Number: 01016
Number of Images: 1

... There is a lot of information now at www.familysearch.org (for free)

I was looking for an Antonio da MOURA, probably born in Azores in 1870's, who came to Massachusetts probably before 1900. I just found out a few days ago that the widow, Mrs. Filomena (ROSE) MOURA, came over with her 3 daughters to stay with her brother, Antonio. So far I'm not finding him in MA census records. But, I'll keep looking.

Betty (near Lowell, MA)

Re: California families

bbffrrpp — 2013-03-18 11:19:48Z

Hi again,

I forgot to ask a question. Do you or anyone in your family know whether Frank and Anna MOURA came to Cambridge, MA, in 1949 to attend the funeral of his mother, Mrs. Phoebe MOURA.

From a newspaper article a researcher provided, I got the impression that the couple moved back to the Azores during the 1950's. Then in 1961 they returned to CA for their 50th wedding anniversary. Did they ever visit MA? The relatives I meet have no memory of meeting their Uncle Frank (MOURA).

But, their Uncle Manny (MOURA) of Brooklyn, NY, both visited MA, and the relatives went to a NY wedding, possibly the 1950's.

Betty (near Lowell, MA)

Re: California families

bbffrrpp — 2013-03-18 11:15:29Z

Hi Katie,

I didn't hear back from you after I responded to your posting.

I wanted to mention that just this past week I posted a query on the Portuguese-Genealogy Group at www.google.com and a very helpful researcher provided me with a lot of information. I now know the names of the parents of Mrs. Filomena (ROSA) MOURA. Her death record from 1949 in Cambridge, MA, stated her father was Laurindo de ROSE. The relatives did not know her mother's name at that time. But, the Portuguese researcher said she was Clara Emilia (?), and the father was also known as Lucio de ROSA.

And the parents came from Faial and Pico. Also, at least one of Filomena's brothers also came to Cambridge, MA (ROSA surname). No one here knew that.

It seems that most of the MOURA family had different first-names in the USA than they did back in the Azores. .. I just received these pieces of information this weekend, so I haven't had time to summarize it. I'll try to do it this week.

I'd love to hear from your family.

Betty (near Lowell, MA)

(P.S. My husband lost a brother a few weeks ago, and we saw many relatives at the Wake and Funeral. There are still grandchildren of Mrs. Phoebe MOURA around in New England. That's how she was known here in MA.)

Re: California families

bbffrrpp — 2013-03-18 11:14:45Z

Re: Laurindo de ROSA, father to Filomena ROSA

bbffrrpp — 2013-03-16 22:18:51Z

Hello,

I wanted to mention that I also posted a query on the Portuguese-Genealogy Group at www.google.com
and a very helpful researcher has responded with a lot of information for me. I just received it this afternoon, and haven't had a chance to understand it all, as part of it is in Portuguese. But these records show different first-names than the names the family were known by in Massachusetts. And, I'm seeing that Mrs. "Phoebe" MOURA had at least one brother in MA (ROSA surname).

During the coming week I'll try to summarize what I've been offered.

Betty (near Lowell, MA)

Laurindo de ROSA, father to Filomena ROSA

bbffrrpp — 2013-03-13 19:21:44Z

Hello,

We had a chance to drive to Cambridge, MA, this morning, and go to the City Clerk's office. With the exact date of death of Mrs. Filomena (ROSA) MOURA, we were able to look at the death record. I knew most of the information, but it was confirmed that her father was Laurindo de ROSA, born Azores. In the space for the mother it said Unknown, but born Azores. It's a reminder that a member of the family probably filled in the spaces on the death record.

As in my postings from almost a year ago, both Filomena and her 3 daughters had the middle name, Augusta. So, it is only a guess that her mother's maiden name might have been Filomena AUGUSTA. She was known during her time in MA/US as Mrs. Phoebe MOURA, and she was 71 yrs. and 8 mos., which puts her birth-year at ~1878.

No one remembers where Francisco and "Phoebe" MOURA lived while on Sao Miguel.

That's all I'll say for now.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Board Administrator

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

dmeals57 — 2013-02-19 01:02:31Z

The http://figmeals.net/index.php site is no longer valid. My wife and I are continuing to index the individuals living in Santa Bárbara Parish, Santa Maria pre 1800-1883. While it is true that many MOURAs lived in this parish, it is not true that they did not live elsewhere on the island. Phil Silva's work verifies this.

I would be willing to do some look-ups, but only for those researchers that have some dates of their MOURA ancestors.
Denis

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

Phil_Silva — 2013-01-14 00:03:55Z

I had read that the Moura surname came from the Moors--but do you have any references about them in the island of Santa Maria or the town of Santa Barbara specifically? All the stuff I have read talks about the Moors generically being scattered through the Azores. If you have a cite to a book or article that talks about them in Santa Barbara or Santa Maria, I'd greatly appreciate it as I would like to read that.

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

bbffrrpp — 2013-01-06 11:11:36Z

Hello,

Some time this month (depending on weather), we hope to go to Cambridge City Hall (MA/US). I hope the death record for Mrs. Philomena (ROSE/ROSA) MOURA has information on her parents. Then I can try to go back a little further on her family. I found another researcher (or record?) which said one of her parents came from Medeira.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

(on Lists and Boards for 11 yrs.; now an Admin for 10 Lists and 5 Boards)

(I haven't had my mind on genealogy for a few mos., so I'll have to check my old postings for information.)

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

joecee7375 — 2013-01-05 21:16:54Z

ALL the MOURAS' are and were living in the island of Santa Maria, the town of Santa Barbara. There are quite a few of their ancestors still alive. Some in Canada and others in the east coast of the U.S. The Moura name came from the time when we were Islamic (over 700 years. The Moors were called moiros or mouros. SOme of the moors were exiled to the islands that were recently discovered and as they had no Christian names, they were given their nic-names, thus: Mouros or Mouras...

Re: California families

bbffrrpp — 2012-09-06 13:06:52Z

Good morning, Katherine,

I got busy with helping others with genealogy on-line and almost forgot to get back to you.

My (now) husband, Bob, is half-Portuguese, half-Irish. His paternal grandparents were a PACHECO / MOURA couple. With a little help, and some researching, I have found out that Antonio "Tony" PACHECO was born ~1885 on Sao Miguel. And he came from the small village of Sao Rocque which is right beside the larger town of Ponta Delgada. Many people left from Ponta Delgada to migrate. And, because Tony was killed in MA in a car accident in 1928, I was able to obtain his death record. And it listed the names of his parents. But that is as far as I could go.

His "Grandma Elsie" provided a few problems for her children and grandchildren. When her husband was killed, she was pregnant with twins, and delivered a month later. One of the boys died at 4 mos. and one died a little after Age 2. She was about 35, and she was left with 5 children to raise, a 14-yr-old down to a one-yr-old. And, I don't think she was too happy about it. She was a "task-master" according to her children - "Do it or else !" And she was the same with her grandchildren - who she babysat often.

Because of my research, and asking questions, I have made a guess that Elsie was so angry at her late husband - for leaving her - that she never spoke about him again. She even went so far as to tell her family that the other PACHECO's in Cambridge were .not. related to them. The other researchers on-line tell me they .were. related - they came from the same village.

Elsie and her 2 younger sisters, Mrs. Rosie PERRY and Mrs. Carrie MEDEIROS were all widowed young. If I'm remembering correctly, Charlie Perry, died of food poisoning and Frank Medeiros died of an Epileptic attack. And then Carrie last her older son when he was in his 20's. Her younger son is now about 75 and lived in Maine for a long time and just moved down to NH. Rosie had about 5 children, and 2 of them just died this year. We see her daughter, Carol, and family gatherings.

Elsie, Rosie, and Carrie all lived into the 1980's, and all lived in Cambridge, MA, for their later years. They all went to the Portuguese church there for many years.

Bob and his siblings have only a few memories of their father's Uncle Manny and Uncle Frankie. The younger siblings remember traveling down to Brooklyn, NY, around 1960 for a family wedding. They were children at the time. And, Bob thinks Uncle Manny came up to Boston around 1952 / 1953 when his younger sister was born. And, he is a vague memory of Uncle Frankie visiting.

I have known Bob's Uncle Leo since 1983; he introduced us. And, I think Leo said that, when he spent some time in CA, he tried to find his uncle's family. I think he said he was one town away and didn't find them. That would have been the 1970's, I believe; maybe early 1980's. He never mentioned visiting his Uncle Manny in Brooklyn, NY. But, Leo was a truck-driver, and maybe he drove through Brooklyn once in a while.

I was looking for information on Manny and Frankie for several years, and didn't have any luck. But, there is more information on-line this year, and I finally found them in the census records, especially 1920 to 1940.

One of the things which I haven't been able to find out is when their mother died. She was Mrs. Philomena "Phoebe" (ROSE) MOURA, born in the Azores ~1874. She reportedly migrated to MA in 1912 with her youngest daughters. Elsie had come over to MA ~1905 as a 12-yr-old. She went to live as a servant for a family on Beacon Hill in Boston. There are coflicting stories about her years there. And, I haven't been able to find out how she met "Tony" PACHECO. She was supposed to be that servant for 7 yrs. which means she was about 19 when her mother and sisters arrived. And, she married Tony in Aug. 1912.

Bob has one or 2 memories of his "Vavor" and remembers she was a tall, think woman. And, she used to wear unusual jackets which had pockets and she kept candy in one pocket. Bob was born in 1940. Because of his "short-term memory" problem, * I have to catch him on a good, memory day. And, last week he told me that he thinks he was 12 when "Phoebe" died. That would be about 1952. I check with the Cambridge City Clerk, and they don't have a death-record for her. So, I'm waiting for a response from the Somerville City Clerk. (Or, I'm waiting for the MEDEIROS couple to get back to me to see if they know.)

Bob's got 2 brothers, Stevie and Jimmy are about one year apart. We see Jimmy on a regular basis, but Stevie lives on Cape Cod, and he is not one of my favorite people. He has mentioned a few times that he knows information on Elsie's family - but refuses to "share." :o(

Bob's older brother, Charlie, died over 5 yrs. ago, and their only sister (youngest) lives south of Boston. It would have been Lorraine's Christening that the NY relatives might have come up for.

A researcher on-line just sent me a 1961 newspaper article about Frank & Anna. It was about their 50th anniversary and they had come back from the Azores to visit their children. It might have been about 1952 when they left for the Azores. So, maybe they stopped in NY and MA - on their way. It was Stevie who just told me in the spring that Manny's wife was "Cora" and I found out her real name was Carolena.

The researcher also sent me the obituary for Carl MOURA, and I found another one on-line. So, that is how I found out the names of his children.

The one thing which I just have not been able to find out is what happened to Elsie's father. He was Francisco "Frank" MOURA (Sr.) who was probably born ~1870 in the Azores. The family story is that he was a whaler. When Phoebe arrived in MA ~1912, she said she was a widow. So, maybe her husband died at sea ~1900. But, the other possibility is that he "left town" and migrated to NY or CA or Hawaii ~1900 - abandoning his family.

The only other thing I found out about Phoebe is that the 1920 census said she was born in "Portugal" (usually means the Azores). But her parents were born on Madeira Island. And researchers tell me that the MOURA surname is popular on Santa Maria island, rather than Sao Miguel. Elsie always called it "St. Michael's."

That's all I'll say for now. Oh, by the way, I have 2 pictures to share. Bob only has one, old, not very good picture of Elsie. She was sitting at a table with Carrie. And, I have a picture of Bob and his siblings from about 7 yrs. ago. Because of Facebook, I saw a picture of Yvonne BROWER, and I showed it to Bob. He said that she resembles his Aunt Mina when she was young. OH, I also have a picture of Mina, Edie, and Leo from about 3 yrs. ago.

Betty

Re: California families

bbffrrpp — 2012-09-06 01:20:43Z

Hi Katherine,

Thank you for writing. I've been looking on-line for MOURA information, and over the weekend I found that there was an Yvonne BROWER on Facebook. Is she your mother?

I very rarely do e-mailing at night; I'm an early-morning person, and do genealogy and e-mailing between 5 am and 8 am. So, I'll write in the morning.

But, for tonight, I'll mention that my (now) husband's grandmother was Mrs. Elsie (MOURA) PACHECO. Anthony "Tony" and Elsie PACHECO had 5 surviving children, and their first-born, Charles PACHECO, was my husband's father. He passed in 1977, and Joe PACHECO passed about 5 yrs. ago. Their 2 daughters are "Mina" at 92 and "Edie" turning 87 next week. Mina is at home but Edie has been in a nursing home and no longer converses. The youngest, Leo, is 85, and has just moved into Assisted Living.

Manny MOURA in Brooklyn, NY, and your Frank MOURA, were the 2 brothers, and the other sisters were Mrs. "Rosie" PERRY and Mrs. "Carrie" MEDEIROS who lived in both Cambridge and Somerville, MA. I e-mail with Carrie's son who is now about 75, and a daughter of Rosie comes to the family get-togethers. 2 of her children just passed within the past year.

That's all I'll say for tonight.

Betty

(Mrs. Betty Pacheco of Chelmsford, MA)

Re: Moura/Silva in Hawaii

bbffrrpp — 2012-08-28 10:59:46Z

Hello,

I see you have posted for a long time. I'd like to mention that I started researching the extended MOURA / ROSE family tree this summer. I hadn't had time for 2 yrs. And, from new postings, and new information available on-line, I now have more details about the family.

To begin with, my husband's great-grandmother, Mrs. Philomena "Phoebe" (ROSE) MOURA was born in Portugal ~1874. I'm assuming the Azores. The 1920 census for Cambridge, MA, says that both of her ROSE / unknown parents were born on Madeira Island. If she was born in the Azores, perhaps the family moved over ~1870. I don't know anything else about that ROSE family.

"Phoebe" ROSE married Francisco "Frank" MOURA around 1890, probably in the Azores. They reportedly had their 5 children on Sao Miguel, and they were born between 1891 and 1912. Between 1905 and 1915 the mother and all 5 children migrated to MA / US. The father was reportedly a whaler and possibly he had died at sea. Or, possibly the couple separated around 1900.

The son, Manual MOURA, b1891, moved from MA to Brooklyn, NY, around 1920 and remained there. The son, "Frank" MOURA, b1893, moved from MA to Oakland, CA, around 1920 and remained there. The mother and her 3 daughters remained living in Cambridge, MA.

I'm seeing on-line that around 1880 Azorean families moved to both the San Francisco Bay area and to the Hawaiian Islands. Perhaps families in both areas moved back and forth. I do not know whether the MOURA families in CA in 1880's were related to the Frank MOURA arriving there ~1920. But, they could have been.

By the way, last night I received brand-new information, and one of Frank & Annie's daughters married into a SILVA family. Other daughters married into the BETTENCOURT, FERNANDES, and GOMES families.

Betty (near Lowell, MA)

Board Administrator

California families

bbffrrpp — 2012-08-28 10:35:54Z

Hello,

While trying to find information on my husband's grandmother's brothers, I found out that there were several, MOURA people / families out in CA. And, they might have arrived in 1880's, and then again in 1920's.

This morning, while on-line researching I found this very helpful page of information - death records in CA which involve the MOURA name. In the List, I found both of Frank MOURA (Sr.)'s sons, Frank, Jr., and Carl MOURA.

http://www.faqs.org/people-search/moura-california/

And, I posted a new query on the NORCAL List and a helpful researcher found newspaper articles about Frank MOURA, Sr. It seems they lived in Oakland, CA, near San Francisco, for 30 yrs. But, during the 1950's, they went back to Portugal - assuming the Azores. In 1961, they went back to CA to visit their 6 children and celebrate their 50th anniversary. Because of the newspaper article, I now know the married names of Frank and Annie's 4 daughters. Several of the children lived long lives, some not dying until after 2000.

One note. No one knows about the CA Frank (Sr.)'s father, Frank (Francisco) MOURA. I can only guess he was born around 1870 in Portugal (Azores?). He was reportedly a whaler, and possibly he died at sea. When his wife and 5 children migrated to Massachusetts between 1905 and 1915, he did not. And, in 1920 his wife, Mrs. Philomena ("Phoebe")(ROSE) MOURA listed herself as a widow.

There was both a Frank MOURA and Manny MOURA in CA in 1880's, but they would have been born before 1860. It's a possibility that Frank was 10-15 yrs. older than Phoebe.

I can post more details about the family of Frank and Annie MOURA in the San Francisco Bay area - during the week.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Board Administrator

(on Lists and Boards for 11 yrs.; now an Admin for 9 Lists and 5 Boards)

Various spellings of MOURA in census / vital records

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-27 12:07:26Z

Hi again,

Just curious how many variations in the spelling of MOURA have been found in census records, or vital records.

This morning in on-line searches I've seen MOORE, MAURA, etc. And, when my husband's grandmother was being married in Cambridge, MA, ~1912, either she or her mother had Americanized the name to MORRIS. Her parents were listed on the record as Frank and Phoebe MORRIS. Actually they were Francisco MOURA and Philomena (ROSE) MOURA).

By the way, I forgot to summarize in my other post this morning. As far as I can tell, Mrs. "Phoebe" MOURA, had already been widowed when she arrived in Massachusetts in 1912. The family story is that her husband, "Frank" had been a Whaler and perhaps he died at sea. (Or, they had .separated. ~1910.)

So, daughter, Elsie, arrived ~1905, then mother and other 2 daughters arrived ~1912, son, Manny, had already arrived in 1908, then son, Frank, arrived in 1915. (I don't know if they all arrived in Massachusetts, first. But, the 2 sons headed to other states ~1920.)

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Board Administrator

MOURA families in 1920 census

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-27 11:59:13Z

Hello,

This is the distribution of the MOURA name in the US in 1920:

1920 Census Results: 61

California Results: 13 Expand by County

Hawaii Results: 2 Expand by County

Illinois Results: 1 Expand by County

Massachusetts Results: 19 Expand by County

Michigan Results: 1 Expand by County

Missouri Results: 1 Expand by County

New Jersey Results: 1 Expand by County

New Mexico Results: 1 Expand by County

New York Results: 2 Expand by County

Oregon Results: 5 Expand by County

Puerto Rico Results: 6 Expand by County

Rhode Island Results: 7 Expand by County

Tennessee Results: 1 Expand by County

West Virginia Results: 1

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Board Administrator

Frank MOURA 1930 California, Manny MOURA 1930 New York

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-27 11:47:59Z

Hello,

I've had time to look on-line this morning for the MOURA name. I think I've found my husband's grandmother's 2 brothers in the 1930 census.

It seems that Emanuel MOURA, b~1891 Azores was the older of the 2. He seems to have arrived in 1908. His wife was Carolena "Cora" MOURA, b~1889 Azores. The 1930 census shows only young children, so I don't know if they had children born between 1910 and 1920. The children mentioned were born in NY from 1920 to 1930, Mary, Charles, William, Murray, and Frank. The children had the MAURA spelling. I don't know whether the 2 brothers came to Massachusetts first, and then moved to other states.

(Their mother, Philomena "Phoebe" MOURA, was in the 1920 census at Age 46, with her arrival year as 1912. I'm told her oldest daughter, Elsie, arrived in ~1905 at Age 12, and then she and her other 2 daughters, Rosa and Carolina, arrived in 1912. Elsie was getting married that year in Cambridge, MA.)

Francisco "Frank" MOURA was 37 in the 1930 census, with a birth-year of 1893. This record says he arrived in US in 1915. His wife was Anna "Annie" MOURA, 37, born Azores. And, if they arrived in 1915, they had 3 very young children with them all born in Azores. Then 2 more children are mentioned as having been born in CA ~1925. They were Marie, Frank, Aldora, Alice, and Carols (son).

I'm told that various relatives visited the 2 brothers from the 1950's to the 1970's. But, no one has contact with the families at the present time.

We are in contact with "Grandma Elsie's" family members, and members of her 2 sisters. The 3 sisters all lived long lives in Cambridge, MA (or Somerville), and they were Mrs. Elsie PACHECO, Mrs. Rosa PERRY (prob. PEREIRA), and Mrs. Carolina MEDEIROS. Since the few remaining children of Elsie are now in their 80's, I'd like to try to find their MOURA cousins for them.

(By the way, according to the 1920 census for Mrs. Philomena "Phoebe" (ROSE) MOURA, she was born in Portugal (prob. Azores), but both of her parents were born in Madeira.)

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Board Administrator

Re: New .Board Administrator.

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-23 10:13:33Z

Hi again,

I forgot to say that "Grandma Elsie" told her grandchildren that they had come from St. Michael's, Azores (Sao Miguel). But, I've been posting queries about the Azores for 7-8 yrs., and I was told the family probably originated in Santa Maria. I have never been able to find out which village or town this MOURA family lived in before they came to the US. And, I've never been able to find out about the families "Frank" and "Phoebe" MOURA came from.

By the way, by browsing the archives a few days ago I discovered that many MOURA families were in Bermuda.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

New Board Admin

New .Board Administrator.

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-23 10:08:32Z

Hello,

When I went to check out the archives of this Board a few days ago, I discovered that it needed a new Administrator. So, I volunteered to do it. I received the notice last night that they approved my doing it.

I am most active on the Lists, and I am an Admin of 9 Lists, and started up most of them - as I saw a need. I've been participating on the Lists for over 10 yrs., so I've come across many types of Admin's. So, I decided I wanted to be a helpful and easy-going one. I am also an Admin for 3 Boards, one I started up and 2 I adopted.

I grew up just outside of Boston, MA, and have always lived within a half-hour drive of Boston. All the ancestors on my family-tree originated in the U.K. But, about 7-8 yrs. ago I tried to start a family-tree for my long-time boyfriend, who is now my 2nd husband. That is where the MOURA name comes in. My husband is half-Portuguese and half-Irish, and his paternal grandfather was Antonio PACHECO from Sao Miguel, Azores. He arrived in MA/US ~1905 as a 20-yr-old, and married ~1912 to Elsie MOURA and they married in Cambridge, MA.

According to family stories, Elsie came over as a 12-yr-old to get a job and earn enough money to bring her mother and sisters over. The family has a difference of opinion as to which year Mrs. Philomena (ROSE) MOURA arrived with her 2 daughters, Rosa and Carolina. But they were here in the 1910 census and attended Elsie's wedding. No one knows anything about Elsie's father, Francisco MOURA. He did not come to MA with his family. One story is that he was a Whaler and perhaps he had died at sea. But, I've discovered another possibility; perhaps the couple separated and he went to Brooklyn, NY, instead of Boston.

The 3 sisters, Mrs. Elsie PACHECO, Mrs. Rosa PERRY (prob. PEREIRA), and Mrs. Carolina MEDEIROS, all were widowed young. But they lived long lives in Cambridge, MA. They had 2 older brothers, Francisco MOURA and Manuel MOURA, who have been much harder to research. We don't know whether they were already married when arriving or whether they married in Greater Boston. But, perhaps 1920's/1930's, Frank MOURA moved out to Oakdale, CA (San Francisco), and Manny MOURA moved to Brooklyn, NY. The family remembers visiting Frank and Manny's families up through the 1950's. I have never found descendants of the brothers.

That's all I'll say for now. There is a little more to Elsie's story. We are in touch with the surviving MEDEIROS son, and with a surviving PERRY daughter.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Board Administrator

(on Lists and Boards for 10 yrs.; now an Admin for 9 Lists and now 4 Boards)

(There is no MOURA Mailing List, but I don't know if there is enough interest to start one up.)

Re: MANNY, ROSIE, ELSIE, AND MARIA MOURA - 1800'S, MA FROM ST. MICHAEL'S, AZORES

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-20 11:42:49Z

Hi Frank,

I'm just finding your old posting. I'll comment that I just found out that Ancestry.com is offering .free. look-ups at Immigration records this weekend. You just need to register.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Re: Moura in Cambridge, MA

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-20 11:38:52Z

Hi Bob,

I'm sorry I'm just finding your post from over a year ago. I forgot to add this Board to "My Favorites."

I'll just make a few comments for the moment. I've been researching my (now) husband's family-tree for 6-7 yrs. And, it's been difficult. One reason is that his grandfather, Antonio PACHECO, was killed in a car accident in Massachusetts in 1929, leaving a pregnant wife and 5 young children. She delivered twins one month later, and both died young. I'm now beginning to realize that his grandmother, Mrs. Elsie (MOURA) PACHECO, probably got angry at her husband for leaving her in this predicament. I'm told she never spoke about him again. So, my husband grew up not even knowing his grandfather's first name.

Because I've been on the Lists so long, and I've been learning about the Azores for ~6 yrs., I've found out that a great many people from the Azores (and Madeira) migrated to the Hawaiian Islands. So, many Azoreans could have been there in the early 1800's, and then moved back, or moved to the USA from there. And many went to Canada.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

(on Lists and Boards for 10 yrs.; now an Admin for 9 Lists and 3 Boards)

Re: Moura surname research

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-20 11:29:57Z

Hi Steven,

As per my other posting, I don't know anything about the families that Francisco and Philomena (ROSE) MOURA came from. Their daughter, Mrs. Elsie (MOURA) PACHECO, told her grandchildren they had come from "St. Michael's." But, some researchers say the name came from Santa Maria.

Elsie, and her 2 married sisters, Mrs. Rosa PERRY and Mrs. Carolina MEDEIROS, were all widowed young. They all remained living in Cambridge and Somerville, MA, and lived long lives. Their 2 older brothers moved out of state, "Frank" MOURA to Oakdale, CA, and "Manny" MOURA to Brooklyn, NY. I'm not able to find descendants of the brothers. But relatives visited both probably in 1950's.

And, yes, it would be nice if we could find other MOURA's all coming from Sao Miguel and find out if they were related.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

(PERRY was probably PEREIRA)

Re: Moura

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-20 11:23:21Z

Hello,

My husband's great-grandparents were Francisco and Philomena (ROSE) MOURA. I can't find out about "Frank" but "Phoebe" arrived with some of her children ~1910. Her oldest daughter had arrived ~1905 as a 12-yr-old. They settled in Cambridge, MA, USA. When the daughter, Elsie MOURA married there in 1911, her parents were listed on the record as Frank and Phoebe MORRIS. They had evidently "Americanized" their names. Later Philomena used her real name.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-20 11:18:04Z

Hi again,

I just found out this morning that "Ancestry" is offering .free. looks at Immigration records this weekend. I just looked for Philomena (ROSE) MOURA, and discovered many MOURA were in Bermuda in 1800's.

I've been told by other researchers that, even though my husband's MOURA family came from "Saint Michael's" (Sao Miguel), the families there probably originated in Santa Maria, Azores.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-20 11:13:59Z

Hello,

I'm just finding some of these postings. (Forgot to add this Board to "My Favorities.") I'd just like to add one comment before I read the responses.

My husband's grandmother, Mrs. Elsie (MOURA) PACHECO, had 2 older brothers, Francisco "Frank" MOURA and Manuel "Manny" MOURA. I don't know when they arrived in MA but probably around 1915. And, I don't know when they both married, probably near Boston, MA, possibly 1920's. And, I don't know when they left MA. But, Frank MOURA and his wife moved out to Oakdale, CA. (Or at first, San Francisco, CA.)

(Manny and Cora MOURA moved to Brooklyn, NY, where other MOURA families lived.)

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

(on Lists and Boards for 10 yrs.; now an Admin for 9 Lists and 3 Boards, including a List and Board for CAN-USA-Migration)

Re: MOURA from Sao Miguel, Azores - "compare notes" ?

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-20 11:07:27Z

Hi Steven,

I'm sorry I'm just finding your response - several months later. My husband's paternal grandfather was from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel (Saint Michaels). Actually from the small village right beside it, Sao Roque. He was Antone / Antonio PACHECO, born there ~1885. He came to the US in ~1905. In ~1911, he married Elsie MOURA who arrived as a 12-yr-old at ~1905. They married in Cambridge, MA.

I've had trouble finding out about "Tony's" family in the Azores, although I do know his parents' names. And, I only know a little about Elsie's family. As far as I know, she had 2 older brothers and 2 younger sisters. I know the sisters came over with their mother; I don't know when the brothers came over. Elsie's father was reported to have been a Whaler, and he didn't come to Massachusetts when his family did. He possibly had died at sea; or went to New York when his family went to Massachusetts.

Elsie's mother was Philomena ROSE before she married, and I don't know anything about the family she came from. And, I don't know anything about the family her husband came from. So, "Frank" MOURA could have siblings or relatives in MA or NY.

We visited with my husband's siblings yesterday, and they told me that the couple in Brooklyn, NY, was "Manny" and Cora MOURA, possibly arriving there in 1920's/1930's. The people yesterday said, as children, they went to a wedding in Brooklyn in 1950's.

That's all I'll say for the moment.

Betty (near Lowell, MA)

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

hdesilva — 2012-03-14 09:50:34Z

Patricia Marirea's mother and my mother Jessie were first or second cousins. Pat attended Mount St. Agnes in Bermuda, I also attended the Catholic school in Bermuda, however, I am a few years older than Pat.

There are a few stories in her book which were published in the Bermuda Royal Gazette, July of 1895, page 138 about my grandfather Bernard Moura's boat the 'Rosa' taken by an acquaintance and sailed to New York with his wife and two young children. On the following page there is another story, however tragic, concerning my grandmother Maria Agnes nee Barios Baptiste's young brother Antonio. There is also a picture of a sculpture by Edward Lima, son of Mary nee Moura Lima, my mother's sister; page 12.

Getting back to Victorino Moura, I believe that he maybe my grandfather's brother. I do know that there was another brother in Oregon, J. Bernardo Moura. Do you know the name of Victorino's parents, was it A. J. Moura who was married to Umbelina Braga? I understand that families often used the same name for more than one child using different middle or first names. I have a photo taken in 1914 of Bernardo's family if I had your e-address I would forward it on to you, maybe there is some resemblance to photos which you may have of Victorino's family.

Grandfather Bernardo planned to take his family to California. His 26 year old son Manuel was already there staying with relatives. Unfortunately, he lost his life in the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic. Grandfather Bernardo and grandmother Maria nee Soares Figueiredo Moura, returned to Santa Maria, grief-stricken and never left the Azores again. Any info would be gratefully, appreciated.

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

hdesilva — 2012-03-13 07:50:11Z

I am also looking at the Moura and Bairos families. Could this be your grandfather Joseph (Jose) and Philomena Bairos or DeBairos married in Bermuda in 1898. It appears a female child Maria, was born later that same year. Another female child Maria was born in 1901. In 1902 another female child was born to Joseph and Philomena, her name is Anna. Another son Manuel Joseph was born in 1903. A second son Manuel Jose, born in 1905. It appears Mary born in December 1898 died April 15, 1899. Manuel Joseph born in 1903 died at five weeks Sept.4,1903. My grandfather was Bernardo J. Moura, his daughter Jacinta (Jessie) is my mother. My grandfather Jose J. Baptiste married Maria Agnes Barios in 1892 in Bermuda. I think these families are related. I am Jeanette nee Baptiste DeSilva. I married Howard Darrell DeSilva in Bermuda 1952. However, we have lived in Seattle or surrounding area since 1962. This is the Moura family linked to the Portuguese/Spanish Royal Court. Christobol, Manuel and Francisco Moura from the mid fifteen hundreds to the late seventeen hundreds. Francisco's daughter Joana, went to Brazil about 1810 during the period of un-rest in Portugal. Information on marriages, births, deaths are recorded in The Portuguese Bermudian Reference Guide, 1849-1949 by Patricia Marirea Mudd. I just happened on this site and am seriously thinking of doing research on my family. Any help in getting started would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

hdesilva — 2012-03-13 07:50:08Z

MOURA Jose D and Isaura

t42MountOlivet — 2010-01-30 23:36:26Z

MOURA Jose D and Isaura

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 212,305 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

James Souza Moura

cleardarlene — 2012-08-10 22:19:24Z

Hello, I am looking for my two brothers, James and Louie, I want to find out what happened to them. My mothers name was Louis Meuirl Perdue and she married my father and had me, and the 2 boys. That is all I know. I am 64yrs old and I would like to know where they are......My fathers date of birth was 03-28-1906 I believe.
Thank you Darlene

Re: California families

katiebrower1 — 2012-09-05 23:24:46Z

Hello,
I am the granddaughter of Carl Ben Moura (son of Frank and Anna Moura). It would be great to learn more about my family history. If you have any more information, I would love to hear it. Thank you!

Sincerely,

Katherine Anne Brower

MOURA Arlos Roberto 1954 1996 US Army

t42Hilltop_DalCoTX — 2010-05-13 16:15:12Z

MOURA Arlos Roberto 1954 1996 US Army

DavidStrickland photographed this gravestone in the Hilltop Memorial Park Cemetery, Carrollton, Dallas Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records.

This is one of the 213,111 cemetery photos free for your personal use at http://teafor2.com
If you have more info, please reply here rather than emailing me because this is not my family.

MOURA Nicolasa 1926 1999 live in the hearts of your loving dauther granddaughter son and family

t42Hilltop_DalCoTX — 2010-03-05 01:06:22Z

MOURA Nicolasa 1926 1999 live in the hearts of your loving dauther granddaughter son and family

DavidStrickland photographed this gravestone in the Hilltop Memorial Park Cemetery, Carrollton, Dallas Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records.

This is one of the 212,975 cemetery photos free for your personal use at http://teafor2.com
If you have more info, please reply here rather than emailing me because this is not my family.

Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

Phil_Silva — 2010-12-28 06:32:08Z

Doesn't look like many use this board but figured I'd ask if anyone is investigating this family. Most of the info I have comes from a cousin who did significant research in Bermuda and Santa Maria.

Victorino de Moura left Santa Maria and came to Bermuda with his wife Bernardina sometime in the mid-1880s. They had at least six children; three of them- Maria Julia, Manuel, and Jessie stayed on Bermuda and raised families. The youngest (Mary) returned to the Azores with Victorino sometime around the turn of the century. Two brothers moved on to the US: Antonio (Tony) settled in Rhode Island and my g-grandfather Jose (Joseph) went to Oakland, CA with his wife Philomena Barros.

Would be interested in trading info with anyone looking at this family.

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

Phil_Silva — 2012-05-21 03:56:15Z

Yes, there were a number of Moura in Bermuda. My grandmother at one point was told she had nearly 100 cousins in the Moura line all on Bermuda.

Victorino, the one in our family who left Santa Maria for Bermuda went there via Sao Miguel. Victorino and his family were from Sao Pedro parish, Santa Maria. As far as I know, no one has indexed the records for Sao Pedro yet; it is something we want to do one day. The Santa Barbara parish of Santa Maria also had many Mouras in it and it has been partially indexed. You can find the records here on the Meals' website.

http://figmeals.net/index.php

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

Phil_Silva — 2012-05-21 03:39:58Z

Apologies for not replying sooner. I did not see the message.

According to the work Pat did on our family, Victorino's parents were named Manuel de Moura and Rosa Santo. Manuel was born ~1830 in Santa Maria. At some point, Victorino registered for his father to come to Bermuda, but there is no record that he ever arrived.

I have pictures of Victorino and his wife and all of their children. My email is phil4005@yahoo.com if you want to get a hold of me that way.

Re: Victorino de Moura family (Santa Maria, Azores-->Bermuda-->US)

Phil_Silva — 2012-03-14 05:15:58Z

Yes, those names that you mentioned are my family. Joseph and Philomena had several children in Bermuda and then moved to Oakland, California and had several more including my grandmother. Joseph's brother Antonio Moura also had several children in Bermuda but later moved to Rhode Island.

Patricia Marirea Mudd whose book you mentioned is my second cousin. She grew up in Bermuda. Her grandmother was Jessie Moura (Joseph and Antonio's sister) and she compiled most of the info that I have. I've found a little bit since then from online databases. We know that Victorino/Vitorino is the Moura that we are related to who came to Bermuda originally from Sao Pedro parish, Santa Maria. He had 5 children and they each had large families resulting in something like ~100 Moura cousins descended from him all living on Bermuda. I do not see a Bernardo J in the information I have though I can't guarantee it is all complete.

As far as the Barros/Bairos family goes, the info I have suggests they also came from Santa Maria but via Sao Miguel prior to coming to Bermuda. I have much less information about that family.

Moura in Cambridge, MA

rmoura148 — 2010-11-29 21:13:34Z

Hi,
This is all very interesting - my name is Bob Moura, my father was Antonia Moura- who came to Cambridge in 1953 from Sao Miguel. He had married Irondina Tavares earlier and I was lucky to be born here in the USA. There aren't any Pacheco's in my family (that I know of) and all during my childhood - I thought I was the only Moura in New England. So, I was surpised to just read that there were other Moura families attending my church - St. Anthony's on Portland St. in Cambridge!!!

I don't know too much oabout my ancestors, but I do know that my Mon's father was born in Honolulu. How he got to America or Sao Miguel is still a mystery.

Thanks !

Moura

kholloway91 — 2012-03-08 19:04:37Z

My grandfathers name was George Moura.My great grandparents names were Manuel and Mary(Alves)Moura.My great grandparents came over around 1920 from the Azores, Portugal.They came alone and didn't have any family in the U.S that we know of.We don't know anything about the families left in the Azores or why they left at all.My mothers birth certificate has her last name spelled differently.It's spelled Maura.It's confusing not to know which spelling is correct.The Moura Family resided in Hartford,CT.Does anyone have any info on the difference in the spelling of the name? This is the only family history I am unaware of.Very interested to learn about these unknown roots.

Re: MOURA from Sao Miguel, Azores - "compare notes" ?

StevenGonya — 2011-12-04 21:10:03Z

My grandmothers parents, Paul and Mary Moura were from Sao Miguel, I'm pretty sure Ponta Delgada as I've been told. They had 2 children, my grandmother, Irmelinda Moura Bush and Mary Moura Gorman. they wouldve immigrated to the U.S sometime around early 1900's as my grandmother was born in 1923. I am unsure of most information prior to their arrival as well as decendants. My email is sgonya@live.com

Re: Moura surname research

StevenGonya — 2011-12-04 21:04:00Z

Her parents were Paul and Mary moura.

Moura surname research

StevenGonya — 2011-12-03 05:06:17Z

My grandmothers name was Irmelinda Moura. Her parents were from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel. She Has one sister Mary " May" Moura, Gorman. My grandmother was 1st generation born here in the states and lived in Rhode Island. She was born in 1923 and her parents family still live in Ponta Delgada now as well as some of our family in S.E Ma.Hopefully with all the posts someone can tie things together between these inquirys. I do think that her parents would have come here between 1900 and 1915 or so.........

Re: Moura Family Tree

bbffrrpp — 2010-01-10 12:04:38Z

Hi again,

This is part of what I posted in Apr. 09 on the NORCAL List. I'm told "Frank" MOURA probably lived in Oakland, CA, beside San Francisco:

FYI:

I've mentioned a MOURA family before, but maybe not for a year or 2.
I've been looking for a Francisco "Frank" MOURA, b~1893 Azores, who first
lived near Boston, MA (or New Bedford, MA). But, possibly during 1920's
he moved to CA and reportedly lived in "wine country." I've been
thinking about the family again today, and someone did a look-up for me.
This researcher found a Frank MOURA in the 1930 census, living in Oakland.
He is of the right age, and I'd like to find out if he was the brother of
Mrs. Elsie (MOURA) PACHECO of Cambridge, MA.

I just checked the SSDI for the MOURA name, and it can also be spelled MORA
and several other ways. And, I found several people with the MOURA
spelling, and born in the 1920's, and living in Hayward. Frank was born
~1893, so his children could have been born during the 1920's.

I just looked on-line and saw that both Oakland and Hayward are very close
to San Francisco.

If it is the same man, Frank was living in New Bedford, MA, in 1920 as a
married man. That is why I say he probably moved during the 1920's.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/norcal/2009-04...

(I know of the descendants of the 2 sisters, Mrs. Carolina (MOURA) MEDEIROS and Mrs. Rosa (MOURA) PERRY. But, even though descendants of their brothers "Frank" and "Manny" MOURA kept in touch with them possibly up to 1970's, I've never heard from descendants of them. And, I don't know if my husband's relatives know of them now.)

Betty (near Lowell, MA)

Re: Moura Family Tree

bbffrrpp — 2010-01-10 11:52:02Z

Hi again,

I just checked my old postings and discovered I started trying to find out about the PACHECO / MOURA couple in 2000. But, the posting from April 2009 is a summary of what I knew at the time.

The information on the town in CA that I found out about is probably in the archives of the NORCAL Mailing List. I'll go find it.

Betty (near Lowell, MA)