Welcome to the Miale message board. My ancestors originated in Francavilla Fontana, circa 1650 then moved to Oria (BR)
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Hello Dick. I haven't researched the Miales, have just begun. Joseph (? 7/3/1885-3/1963), wife Irene, from New York City; a brother John Miale (?3/20/1877-7/15/1966). Understand there were cousins in Boston or elsewhere in New England, very nice people. The name is not very common, and I've heard it means pig in Italian. I do hope not. Regards.
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First, pork is spelled maiale. Second, I don't think this family is related to me. I've been in contact with them on various occasions, but they've never supplied any data for comparision. I'd like to find out if there is a relationship however. You can contact me at dmiale@exis.netDick
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Hello. I am a grandson of the John Miale, born 20 Mar 1877 in Ferrandina, Basilicata province in southern Italy and died on 22 July 1966 in Worcester, Ma He came to the U.S. with his parents in 1882, and after a 31-day joyage landed in New York City, where they lived for a number of years. He moved to New Jersey and then to Worcester, where he lived most of his life. He was a barber for over 60 years. His parents were Francesco Miale (1841-1903) and Rosa Garagusa (1843-1903), both born in Ferrandina and died in New York City. John's paternal grandparents were Luigi Miale,a ceramic maker, and Maria Spero. John married Grazia DeCarlo (born 12 May 1879 in Avellino, Campania, Italy, and died in Sep, 1923, in Milbury, MA. John and Grace had 20 children, 10 of whom lived to maturity. One was my mother, Marguerite Maile (1907-1990), who married John Francis McGrath (1904-1987) I also understand that the name means pig, and that may be of the reasons that most of the American generation of Miales have changed their surname to Maile or Mailey. I have also been told that the name change, which John sometimes used, came from a typo by the immigration clerk. I have guite a lot of information of the Miale family and would be glad to share it, including hours of tape recorded conversa-tions with my mother;, who gives much detail about her father.
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Hello Dr. McGrath. Thank you for posting.
I'm curious to know whether your grandfather had siblings. My Miale friend remembers paternal cousins in Worcester (and possibly Boston), but recalls their family name as Valentine. Perhaps there is a connection through a daughter or sister of your grandfather.
Have you found a basis for the pig story? I've found nothing in the dictionary to explain it. Perhaps it was argot of a particular era or place.
I sent off for copies of Social Security applications from the SSA but later read that they are only released to immediate family members. Have you had any luck getting them?
Susan
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Hi Susan. The Miales in the U.S. are a large family. Francesco Miale and Rosa Garagusa had three sons: John, Louis and Joseph, and two daughters: Lucia (m. Zizzo) and Carmel (m. DeTorre). Those offspring in turn had a total of at least 29 children who lived to maturity (in my mother's genera-tion). I have a lot of their names. My cousin Joe Zizzo of Andover, MA, has done extensive research on the family of Lucia Miale and Frank Zizzo. The oldest daughter of John and Grace Miale was my aunt Rose. She married Enrico Valentino, who "Americanized" his name to Henry Daniel Valentine. The two sons and two daughters of Rose and Henry have lived all their lives in Worcester or in nearby towns. They are still living there: Henry, Jr. m. Mary Anne Krause. Robert G. m. Stella Zannotti Florence E. m. William Kowaleski Rose Genievive m. Victor Graboski
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Dr. McGrath, thank you for posting the Miale information. I just received some social security application copies that seem to confirm a connection.
Your grandfather's younger brother Joseph, who was born in New York City (7/3/1885 - 3/1963),and married Irene Maurello, had five children.
Frank (12/24/1905 - 1/1974) George (9/12/1907 - 12/19/1989) Rose (?) Louis (1/18/1913 - 6/26/1991) Susan (7/17/1919 - 7/10/1997)
Rose is the only survivor, and she is in a nursing facility in Florida, comatose after a stroke.
Frank had one son, Frank, Jr.
George had one son, Walter.
Rose had no children.
Louis had one son, Peter (the Miale I know) and two daughters, Carol and Linda. Of those, Carol has three sons.
Sue had one son, Charles, with a large family, and an adopted daughter whose name I don't recall.
But perhaps this is all known to you already.
I am wondering where Francesco's son Louis located, if John's family settled in Mass. and Joseph's in NYC.
You are fortunate indeed (or foresightful) to have tape recordings of your mother's recollections.
The pig story is very curious. I could not find anything in the dictionary to support it, and Dick Miale, who posted here earlier, said it isn't true.
Joseph was also a barber (among other things, I gather). Do you know what Francesco did for a living? He was already 41 years old when he came here, it seems. Do you know if other family preceded them here?
Anyway, thank you again for posting.
Susan
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Hello Susan. I see my reply to your last e-mail apparently was not transmitted. Thanks for the information you sent. It agrees with my records of the Miale family and adds a few things I did not know, such as the last name of Joseph's wife. I do have the names of spouses, in case Peter is interested. The Valentines and McGraths, among others, are Peter's second cousins. I don't know where our grand-uncle Louis's (Luigi) and his family located, except that they are predominantly in Mass. Louis's grandchildren in Peter's generation (and mine) are as follows: his son Frank (1895-1957) married Mamie Combs and had six children: Louis, Florence, Mary and Frank Miale, Helen (Miale) Leo,and Katherine (Miale) Mannino. His daughter Rose (1896-1942) married Nicolas Garafolo and they had three sons. Louie's daughter Mamie (1899-1957) married Anthony Rofrano, who had a son, Douglas (m. Jean Masone) and a daughter Geraldine who married Reynald Davis. Louie's third daughter, Eleanor married Michael Perrette. They had three children, one of whom was named Marion. Peter's great-grandfather Franchesco Miale was a mason who specialize in ceramic tile work. As for the pig story. My mother, Margaret Miale, told me that she and her siblings were often teased by other children, who called them by the Italian word for pig, which is not miale, but is a close homonym. The way my mother prounced the teasing word was "my-oll" with the second syllable rhyming with doll.
Best wishes to my cuz. Jim McGrath
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MARY RUTH IS MY GRANDMOTHER HER MOTHER WAS MAMIE COMBS PARRIES .MY GRANDYMOTHER MARRIED RUDY FAW HE WAS FROM NORTH WILKSBORO MAMIE MARRIED HENRY LEE PARRIES. IS THE SAME MARY THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP
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In my search for the French roots of my father's side of the family I read with interest the MIALE family stories. I cannot help but wonder if there is a connection. The MIAL family came in the mid 1800'S and settled in Paterson, NJ where there was work in the silk industry. In any case I found the PIG story interesting,MIAL rhymes with dial but it still amazes me how people mispronounce this simple last name. Thanks for sharing, Holly
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