Hi, Vicki... The Diffenauer's are married into my father's family, Luebbers, two sisters marrying two brothers. Leo was married to an Ortman, whose mother was a Wilken. Her mothers parents Bernard and Katie (Borgelt) Wilken are also members of families on my "other" maternal side of the family tree. So any way you look at it, all four families are in the family tree I have in Ancestry. I am not sure whose initials those are, as there are no siblings with LWD except for Leo. If you wish to contact any of the Diffenaur "cousins" who remember quite clearly your Grandma Ortman and all of Leo's siblings and the rest of the Diffenauers pf Carlyle, email me and I can put you into contact with them. Maybe one of them knows and would be helpful. They are all in Facebook, especially two of the eldest sisters.