They are also my g-g-g-grandparents. I don't know much about the Lirette Line. I do however have a great deal of information about the Eliza Anne Rose line. Its quite interesting and goes back to the Kings of England and Scotland in the 900s. If you are still interested in this let me know (this was posted 11 years ago). I also know a lot about their son Benjamin and Eliza's son Charles Winder (my g-g-grandfather). Its also quite interesting.