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searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 13 Oct 2011 3:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Karabelnikoff
are the Karabelnikoffs in Idaho related to the ones in Alaska? I have Frank Karabelnikoff 1888-?, sons George 1913-2010 and William 1911-1989, daughter Molly 1915-? all from Alaska.

Re: searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 13 Oct 2011 8:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
I would expect so. One in Pocatello passed away in 2009. He was born in Kodiak, AK in 1912, parents Alex and Martha.

Re: searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 13 Oct 2011 8:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
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Re: searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 14 Oct 2011 3:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Karabelnikoff
do you know if Alex was related to Frank?

Re: searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 14 Oct 2011 3:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Karabelnikoff
do you know any more about Alex? was he related to Frank? it is not a common name, but I can't find any information about Frank other than his birthday and 3 censuses. "Frank" is not a usual Russian name either, but Alex is.

Re: searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 14 Oct 2011 10:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
You're right! As I looked through the Ancestry.com site for this Karabelnikoff. I'm finding some interesting things. Take this, for example:

Eli A. Karabelnikoff b: 1906 Kodiak, AK (Service: WWII - Pocatello, ID, Date: 18 Jan 1943); an Indian student in Chemawa, Marion, Oregon at Salem Indian School (1920). Partnership: Alfred Anderson (Seaman Captain), Salmon Fishery; Occupation: Machinist (1930); he states that both his parents where born in Alaska (possibly Kodiak according to 1930 census). Race: Native American (Indian/Mixed)

Feodore/Theodore Karabelnikoff b: 1902 AK both parents born Alaska. Race: Native American (Indian)

John "Johnnie" Karabelnikof b: 4 Mar 1912 Kodiak, AK. Race: Native American (Indian/Mixed). Living with Johnnie & Hartina Leohr (1920, age: 8); d: 1 Jun 2009 Pocatello, ID, bur: Mountain View Cemetery, Pocatello, Bannock, ID. mar: 7 Jul 1938 to Edna I. Hayball (dau. of Robert & Ida Rainey Hayball). Serve: WWII U.S. ARMY, date: 17 Nov 1942.

Assuming you have enough of Frank's information. Is it possible that these three names above are related? Like brothers? John, Eli A., and Feodore. Now If an obituary showed that the parents of John is Alexander and Martha Karabelnikoff, respectively from Russia and Alaska. Is Martha a Native American? Why am I not able to find them in the 1900 or 1910 census? Were they on the reservation and not enumerated? Who knows!

However, if that is that case. Could Alex and Frank be related as brothers? If so, why is Frank born in Alaska? Did their parents come to Alaska, then for a short while and left?

Yes, lots of unanswered questions. My suggestion is to find a library or someone to do some local research at the courthouse on births, marriages and deaths from 1900 and up on the three names above to see who this Alex is.

Good Luck!
Matt Friend

Re: searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 16 Oct 2011 8:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Karabelnikoff
the problem is, I have no information about Frank.
Alaska was settled first by the Russians, USA bought it from them and allowed the people to stay if they wanted. so some children could have been born in Russia, then others born in Alaska. censuses were spotty outside of the cities.

I'm thinking Karabelnikoff isn't a real Russian name, but made up from the Russian word karabel, which means ship. the suffix off (or ov) means 'from the clan' (like the Mac in Scottish names). so Karabelnikoff would mean a man from the ship, a sailor or perhaps a whaler? the children all seem to be mixed race with native women, so the men had 'wives' in Alaska when they were in port. so there may or may not be a relation. they all seem to originate in Kodiak, formerly a whaling port.
this is all conjecture, but historically possible.

my grandmother who was married to Frank (first marriage) was also of mixed race and raised in an orphanage, but she was given a thoroughly English name by the nuns.
the problem is, everyone who would know is dead.

Re: searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 16 Oct 2011 3:48PM GMT
Classification: Query
If you haven't already done so, I'd suggest visiting the closest LDS family history center. They have access to an extensive collection of records. Their library catalog lists 1900 and 1910 census records for Alaska, which may include Kodiak area. Another option, since Frank stated he was born in Alaska, would be to try obtaining his birth record. Privacy restrictions are supposedly lifted after 100 years. Good luck.

Re: searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 16 Oct 2011 9:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
I know you probably have most of Frank's records I am adding here. However, I tried to see if I could find Frank in the 1900 census but came across this one for an Alex. I am wondering if this is the same Alex that was mentioned in John Karabelnikoff's obituary?! I just wish there were more records available on Alaska vital records online. There's just isn't much.

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Alx Kozabetnekof [Alex Karabelnikof]
Home in 1900: Kodiak Island, Southern Supervisors District, Alaska
Age: 35
Birth Date: Aug 1874
Birthplace: Alaska
Race: Mixed
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Alaska
Mother's Birthplace: Alaska
Marital Status: Widowed
Name: Age:
Alx Kozabetnekof 35
Alexandra Kozabetnekof 5
Note: Could this be John Karabelnikoff's father? and the brother of Frank?

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All I could find that is directly related to Frank's info that I could obtain. I did find a photo of George Karabelnikoff from his college years when he was a Basketball player for the University of Alaska. Very handsome fellas I say. I've attached it this messageboard. Hopefully it'll work okay.

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Frank Koraldinkoff [Frank Korabelnikoff]
Age in 1910: 21 [22]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 [1889]
Birthplace: Alaska
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Alaska
Mother's Birth Place: Alaska
Home in 1910: Kodiak, Division 3, Alaska Territory
Marital Status: Single
Race: Mixed
Gender: Male
Name: Age:
Frank Koraldinkoff 21 [22] (Oct 1888; worked as a Fish Laborer)
Nicholas Pavloff 32 [33]
Peter Iarott 20 [30]
Amelian Voobrokoff 26
Note: apparently in this census in Alaska they included birth dates and tribal/clan

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Frank Karabelnikoff
City: Valdez
County: Third Judicial District
State: Alaska
Birthplace: Kodiak, Alaska
Birth Date: 24 Oct 1888
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1473299
DraftBoard: 0
Occupation: Kennecott Copper Corp., Latovche, Alaska
Marital Status: Married w/Children
Date: 24 Jul 1917

WWI Civilian Draft Registrations
Name: Karabelnikoff, Frank
Birth Date: 24 Oct 1888
Birth Place: Kodiak AK
City/County: Valdez
State: AK
Ethnicity: W

1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Frank Karabelnckoff [Frank Karabelnikoff]
Home in 1920: Valdez, Third Judicial District, Alaska Territory
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Alaska
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Polly Karabelnckoff
Father's Birth Place: Russia
Mother's Birth Place: Alaska
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Name: Age:
Frank Karabelnckoff 31 (Worked in Copper Mine)
Polly Karabelnckoff 25
William Karabelnckoff 8
George Karabelnckoff 6
Mollie Karabelnckoff 4 2/12

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Frank Karabelinkoff
Home in 1930: Valdez, Third Judicial District, Alaska Territory
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Alaska
Father's Birthplace: Russia
Mother's Birthplace: Alaska
Marital Status: Divorce
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Name: Age:
Frank Karabelinkoff 41 (Worked in Copper Mine)
Wm Karabelinkoff 18 (Worked in Copper Mine with Father)
George Karabelinkoff 16 (Worked in Hotel)
Molly Karabelinkoff 14 (Housekeeper @ Father's Home)

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You have mentioned earlier about not thinking that Karabelnikoff isn't Russian. I think you need to remember that many of those who lived in Russia had eventually came from the European area or probably from the Scandinavian country up in the north. If you learned that Karabel = boat or fisherman, then they probably were originally from the Scandinavian or Norwegian region before moving into Russia territories, like Alaska. Yes, with a name like Karabelnikov or Karabelnikoff is very rare during that time. History is always good to know. It's helps to understand the area or migration pattern better.

Good Luck!
Matt Friend
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Re: searching for Karabelnikoff in Idaho

Posted: 17 Oct 2011 3:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
what is a LDS family history center and how would I contact them?
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