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Re: Kackel Henry William Germany London UK

Posted: 17 Apr 2008 9:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: KAKEL, HAWKES
Hi,

William KAKEl & Sarah HAWKES were my g/grandparents. I'm descended from George B KAKEL, brother of Ellen.

I'm very interested in swapping info. as I know very little about the KAKEL/HAWKES connection.

Hope to hear from you

SARAH
smulgan@xtra.co.nz

Re: Kackel Henry William Germany London UK

Posted: 30 Apr 2008 7:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Phil,

As I think you have already discovered Henry William Kakel is a different person to William Kakel, the only similarity is that they are both German and both bakers.

William Kakel was my Gt, Gt Grandfather on my maternal side.
My link to him is through his 1st wife Emily Boulter, one of their children Charles Kakel was the Father of my Grandmother.

I am interested to see that you say that your Grandfather was Williams youngest son as I wasn't aware that he had any children after Wilhamina so I must do some more research on that side.

William's married his 2nd wife Elizabeth Presser after Emily died.

Maybe you can draw some light on whether or not William and Sarah Hawkes ever married as I have been unable to find a marriage certificate for them.

I also have details of the Hawkes family back to the 1750's.

Best wishes
Lisa

Re: William Kakel from Germany living in Greenwich

Posted: 30 Apr 2008 7:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,
William Kakel was my Gt, GT Grandfather, I am linked to him on my maternal side through his 1st marriage with Emily Boulter, their son Charles Kakel was my Grandmother's Father.

Sarah Hawkes was not William's 2nd wife but indeed his 3rd.

His 2nd wife was Elizabeth Presser, I have no record of her death and can trace no record of a marriage certificate for William and Sarah Hawkes, do you know if they were actually married or not?

Could you please let me know where you got the info as William coming from Cassel. My family were always told that he came from near Berlin.

Look forward to hearing from you.
Lisa

Re: William Kakel from Germany living in Greenwich

Posted: 30 Apr 2008 7:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,
William Kakel was my Gt, GT Grandfather, I am linked to him on my maternal side through his 1st marriage with Emily Boulter, their son Charles Kakel was my Grandmother's Father.

Sarah Hawkes was not William's 2nd wife but indeed his 3rd.

His 2nd wife was Elizabeth Presser, I have no record of her death and can trace no record of a marriage certificate for William and Sarah Hawkes, do you know if they were actually married or not?

Could you please let me know where you got the info as William coming from Cassel. My family were always told that he came from near Berlin.

Look forward to hearing from you.
Lisa

Re: William Kakel from Germany living in Greenwich

Posted: 30 Apr 2008 7:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,
William Kakel was my Gt, GT Grandfather, I am linked to him on my maternal side through his 1st marriage with Emily Boulter, their son Charles Kakel was my Grandmother's Father.

Sarah Hawkes was not William's 2nd wife but indeed his 3rd.

His 2nd wife was Elizabeth Presser, I have no record of her death and can trace no record of a marriage certificate for William and Sarah Hawkes, do you know if they were actually married or not?

Could you please let me know where you got the info as William coming from Cassel. My family were always told that he came from near Berlin.

Look forward to hearing from you.
Lisa

Re: William Kakel from Germany living in Greenwich

Posted: 30 Apr 2008 9:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Lisa,
Thank you for yr msg. I have now discovered that William kakel was indeeed 'married' 3 times. Understand that Emily Boulter died in a house fire. No death cert for Elizabeth Presser, but William describes himself as a Widower on the 1991 census. Think we all just assumed Sarah Hawkes and he were married. In 1901 Sarah is listed on the census with William as a servant. It seems like the Hawkes and Kakels lived next to each other at 15 and 19 Woodlands Grove. Sarah died in 1956.



Info on where William came from came from an aunt who has sadly since died. I think she assumed because he went back to Cassel and lived with his sister during/after ww1

Do you know if William came to england with his parents?
I understand from other relatives that he came with his cousin Sebastian Troster.

Talk soon, lovely to hear from you.
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