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BIZARRE NEW TWIST IN IERADI/IERARDI/IERACHE DNA RESULTS

BIZARRE NEW TWIST IN IERADI/IERARDI/IERACHE DNA RESULTS

D.Michael Iradi (View posts)
Posted: 30 Aug 2003 5:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
My own DNA results have finally come in since I've last littered this bulletin board with suggestions for various individuals with the surnames Ieradi/ierardi/Ierache, etc., etc., etc. to be genetically tested, so as to reveal whether or not these are variations of the same family name, or in fact different, unrelated lines (you might remember that my own last name was originally spelled in Calabria "Ieradi.")

The DNA testing, is very simple, painless, quick, relatively economic (it makes a great birthday or Christmas present for interested loved ones...) - and no, I don't get a commission, or anything else for that matter aside from my own personal, genealogical satisfaction. Furthermore, all results are confidential, and are released to no one without the donor's permission. There are several companies worldwide which offer this mail-order service, and I happened to choose the American based www.familytreedna.com for my own testing, where my results are stored.

My y-chromosome "Ieradi" basic gene testing (only the basic 12 markers, not the 25 markers of the advanced test) have revealed that of all the people tested so far and stored in their rather large database, I am the only one thus far who's turned up with this exact genetic "fingerprint." What this means is that I'm the first one so far to be tested, and none of you other Ieradi/Ierardi/Ierache males have been tested and catalogued yet - so there's no one to compare me with and match me to genetically in - say - the last thousand years or so.

Until the rest of you decide to be tested, there will still be no way to determine whether the aforementioned surnames are actually one-in-the-same, or even whether or not ALL IERADIS are related to each other or not. If you only have one orange, you can't compare it to an apple, or even another orange (or ANYTHING for that matter!)

So at this stage in the game, the only thing I can report are the bizarre results of MY OWN genetic testing, which might not be your own - even if your name is also "Ieradi." Then again, it might be - who knows?... Get tested and find out.

While no "close relatives" match has yet been made (although it may be made in the future as more people seek to be tested), a "Most Recent Ethnic Origins" determination HAS BEEN MADE based on a sole match with one other (un-named) individual, who is catalogued in a worldwide database.

Now mind you, when they're talking "Most Recent" ethnic origin, they're talking in the last one or two thousand years or so. But Hey, two thousand years ago Europe was already choc-full of people: Rome had a population of 1 million; the British Isles, France and Germany were filled with Celts (Britons, Gauls, and Tacitus' "Germans" respectively); the Golden Age of Greece had long since past, etc. Even that "Ice Man" from the Alps was dated at over 4000 years old.

So what turned out to be my (Calabrian) "Most Recent Ethnic Origin?" NATIVE SIBERIAN! I'm not talking Russians sipping frozen vodka next to an oil rig - I'm talking Asiatic people with furry hats hunting caribou living in hide-tents, herding yaks and hitting the dirt when that Tunguska thing exploded! (Ok, long BEFORE that thing exploded, but you get the picture.) And we're actually talking not all that long ago either (relatively speaking); we're talking within the span of recorded human history, and possibly only since the Middle Ages.

And it gets weirder: a more distant Ethnic (Haplogroup) examination (which shows the ancient migration of humans over - say - the last ten to twenty thousand years) shows that my Ice Age "Ieradi" ancestors originally were based in Indonesia! Now remember: Europe still had people (i.e. modern humans, not Neanderthals) at this point, as archeological finds at Marseilles and Toulouse France clearly show.

This Haplogroup "migration path" is determined by the examination and comparison of unique genetic "mutations" my "Ieradi" ancestors picked up, and passed on to their descendants along their long journey. From only my simple 12 marker test, my unique collection of mutantions seems to possibly, possibly suggest to me (if I'm interpreting/torturing them correctly), and lead me to speculate, that like apparently all modern human beings, my ancestors came "out of Africa," but along the way picked up a rather unusual mutation which is most prevalent in the population of Gambia today.

From there, they made their way along the southern rim of Asia, until they settled in Indonesia (which is where the highest number of my same, unique recorded mutations are still found today (i.e. 4). Actually, the one modern population which most consistently displays these same 4 "Indonesian" mutations is the aboriginal peoples of Taiwan.

While ancient humans seem to have scattered in all different directions from Indonesia (into Australia, Taiwan, Polynesia, etc.), my own ancient "Ieradi" ancestors appear to have gone northward into China, where they picked up another mutation found today in the Han Chinese.

From there, it seems unclear to me if they they then migrated still northwestward until they ended up in Siberia (as my sole Most Recent Ethnic Origin "match" might seem to indicate), or whether they migrated directly westward across Asia, and became the nomadic people of Central Asia. Some of these Central Asians may have then migrated Northweastward, becoming the ancestors of my "match" in Siberia, and some of them may have moved still westward, becoming my own ancestors. In any event, they probably ended up in Central Asia at some point, since another mutation my own ancestors picked up along the way is most prevalent today in the Karakalpak of Uzbekistan. Still another mutation is most identified today with Crimean Tartars.

My "Ieradi" ancestors must have then made their way southwestward from the Crimea down the south of the Balkan Penninsula, which would explain the inclusion of a mutation mostly identified with todays Greeks. From there, they made their way to Southern Italy, as the two final mutations in my basic 12 marker test indicate; one mutation generally associated with Italy, and another specifically associated with Sicily (don't forget: Calabria was one of the "Two Sicilies" in the "Kingdom of the Two Sicilies.") This is not to suggest in any way that the ancestors of all or most Southern Italians got there by this route. To the contrary, as already discussed, there is evidence of habitation along the northern rim of the Mediterranean for tens of thousands of years.

Once the Middle Ages came around, all Europeans eventually decided to use fixed surnames rather than traditional patronymics and "Ieradi" (or something like it) became my ancestors surname.

I will eventually upgrade to a 25 marker test, which will help "fine-tune" my ethnic origins and migration route. I can be emailed directly at d.m.iradi@wanadoo.fr with any further questions - D.Michael Iradi

Re: BIZARRE NEW TWIST IN IERADI/IERARDI/IERACHE DNA RESULTS

Denise (View posts)
Posted: 2 Sep 2003 7:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
this is so interesting. My family is from Calabria, Italy... my last name is Iradi. But the original spelling is Ieradi. Let me know if you find out any more information.

Re: I'm your cousin

D.Michael Iradi (View posts)
Posted: 29 Sep 2003 10:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Actually, I'm your father's first cousin from E. Hanover. I think we met at your grandfather's funeral. My father is James Iradi. Your father, brother or male cousins should get tested to match their DNA to mine; at least another male family member is going to be needed to definitely establish our "Ieradi" lines' genetic code. Once we fix the DNA fingerprint for our Ieradi line, it can be compared with other family lines (including those with completely different last names) to see if our Ieradi family is related to any others.

Re: BIZARRE NEW TWIST IN IERADI/IERARDI/IERACHE DNA RESULTS

Anthony Ieradi (View posts)
Posted: 10 Nov 2003 1:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
The IERADI family of my origins is from Calabria as well. I did a report for class where I had to write trace my family's history. I have some information thta I can e-mail if interested.

Anthony

Re: Ieradi info.

D. Michael Iradi (View posts)
Posted: 10 Nov 2003 4:06AM GMT

Re: BIZARRE NEW TWIST IN IERADI/IERARDI/IERACHE DNA RESULTS

DENISE (View posts)
Posted: 10 Nov 2003 2:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
yeah definitely... that would be so interesting to read about.

Re: BIZARRE NEW TWIST IN IERADI/IERARDI/IERACHE DNA RESULTS

Anthony Ieradi (View posts)
Posted: 14 Nov 2003 7:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,

The electronic version of the file is gone (hard disk error) but I have a printed copy to refer to. Below are some of the details.

My great grandfather was named Antonio Ieradi. He lived in Maida in the province of Calabria. I believe he passed away around 1868. He married a woman named Angela Geneviva. They had four children. My Grandfather, who was born Jan 16, 1895, was named Francesco. I remember his brother, Antonio, and a sister (who's name I can't remember). My grandfather arrived in Philadelphia in 1916. He lived in South Philadelphia with relatives. He was a shoemaker by trade. In 1919, he met my grandmother, Maria Rocca, and married in 1921. Maria, born in 1898, immigrated to the US in 1917 with her mother and five other siblings on the Dante Alighieri. Her mother is listed on the ship's manifest as Michelina Marincola. I understand that was her maiden name, which she reverted to, after her husband had passed away. Listed directly under my grandmother’s family on the ship’s manifest is a woman named Teresa Ieradi. This woman and a child (Immaculatta Senatore) were destined for Buffalo NY. Again, the last name different from the child’s name is indicative of a reversion back to a maiden name. I do not know what the relationship was to my family, but I do know they came from the same town of Maida. My grandmother and grandfather had seven children. A set of twins died shortly after birth. The other surviving children were named Angelina, Louis, Francis, Anthony, and Robert. They, along with most of my family, lived in Chester Pennsylvania. My grandfather passed away in March 11,1973. My grandmother passed away in Feb 15, 1988. My father, Anthony, and my uncle Frank passed away within the last year. My

Here are names of family members who were on the Dante Alighieri when my grandmother came over.

Passenger Record Michelina Marincola Michelina Marincola
Passenger Record Immacolata Senatore Immacolata Senatore
Passenger Record Elisabetta Rocca
Passenger Record Clemente Rocca
Passenger Record Maria Rocca (my grandmother)
Passenger Record Vincenzina Rocca
Passenger Record Teresa Rocca Teresa Rocca

Re: The Ieradis of Chester/Philadelphia PA

D. Michael Iradi (View posts)
Posted: 14 Nov 2003 9:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Anthony,

I met your family about 15 years ago. They invited me to one of their family Gatherings at a hall in, I believe, Chester, PA. I was about 25 at the time and visited with my parents. Your family was VERY friendly and very hospitable.

The reason I was invited, was because I had just started to do family research, and I had made contact with your relations around Cherry Hill, NJ, whom I believe had changed their names to Clement (I forget exactly now), since I knew my own last name was originally spelled Ieradi in Calabria. My grandfather, who was born 1888 as Antonio Salvatore Ieradi, was born in the city of Borgia, which is right near Maida.

However, just beforehand, I had received information from relatives still in Borgia that my grandfather's father Giovanni Antonio Ieradi was born in the nearby small village of Cortale. At least 15 years ago, there were still some Ieradis listed in the Cortale phone directory, but when contacted, they simply replied that they did know of any connection. But of course they woulndn't know, because we're talking about connections AT LEAST 150 years ago!

Back at your family gathering, I received the same information you just provided. But when I wasn't busy stuffing my face with pizzelle, I happened to mention that my great, grandfather actually came from the small village of Cortale. Then one of your female relatives (I think around 40ish, thin with Strawberry-blondish hair if my memory serves right - possibly named Marie or Marina) whipped around and said "THAT'S RIGHT!!! Our family is actually for Cortale. So all the other relatives looked at her and said 'Huh," and started saying they had never heard that, etc. But she was insistant, and said that She it had been passed on down to her that a Bruno Ieradi from Cortale, your family's progeniture, had MOVED to Maida (I guess the father of your Antonio.) I wrote that down, but not the source unfortunately.

Cortale is tiny - especially when we're talking around the 1850s and 1860s. You just KNOW our families have to be closely related. You and I could very well be only, say, fourth or fifth cousins. Of course the only way (until now) to verify our connection would have been for someone to have spent a great deal of time in Calabria doing original research. That is still the only way we will ever know EXACTLY how we are related (if in fact we are.) I left that gathering not knowing for sure if we are related, or how, and I still don't know for sure today (although I strongly suspect we are.)

However, thanks to modern science, you and I CAN 100 PERCENT verify IF we are cousins (and therefore all our family members are actually related too) if you, Anthony Ieradi, take a simple y-chromosome DNA scan. I have explained ad nauseum on this board how this can be done, where to get it done, and how to get it done for only 100 bucks. And trust me...no one's going to find a plan ticket to Italy for 100 bucks. Or put on a really good antipasto spread for that price either.

The reason why this is important, despite the fact that it will not tells EXACTLY how many generations, etc,. is because at some point when someone DOES go to Calabria (or those records finally become available on the internet), and that researcher hits a dead end researching your line, they can use the fact that my line is your line's cousins to go around or over that roadblock. You never know, maybe I'LL go to Calabria one day and do the research on MY ancestors, and if we actually had genetic PROOF that you and I were cousins, MY ancestors would be YOUR ancestors too (and the research for your own Italian ancestors would have been all done by someone else for free. Get it?

So please have yourself or one of your male Ieradi relatives (i.e. with the Ieradi surname) take that test.

Sincerely,

Dominic Michael Iradi

d.m.iradi@wanadoo.fr

Re: The Ieradis of Chester/Philadelphia PA

Anthony Ieradi (View posts)
Posted: 15 Nov 2003 12:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Dominic,

I was at that reunion and I remember meeting you (you are my age. It was at a gathering in a hall and you and your family came with my Uncle Lou. The relative you are referring to was my father and Uncle Lou's cousin named Vinie (Vincenza) Ieradi. It was her father who was named Antonio. We are planning a family gathering for the near future, so I will have to keep you posted. I am new this site and happened upon it when showing my son a search engine for internet use. You seem very excited about DNA scanning. I haven't seen the information but I would be willing to look into it. I'm skeptical about some of these programs. While attending a coarse recently, there was mention of DNA scanning and patening of DNA scans. You can send something to my e-mail if you's like. I'm curious to know if you've found any positive information from your scans.

Anthony

Re: The Ieradis of Chester/Philadelphia PA

D. Michael Iradi (View posts)
Posted: 15 Nov 2003 4:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
I'll email you directly. - DM Iradi
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