Hi Diane... I spoke to my aunt today and she told me that Noel and my aunt francine did not have children together, nadine and mike were her kids from her first marriage. George Washington Ice is not Noel's father, he is my grandma, zona belle Ice's(mason) father. zona is francine's mother ! Noel's father's name may have been george but it wasn't george w ice. My aunt also told me that my grandparents told her that there was some kind of relation between our family and the shreve's... so that may be where the relation comes in with an ice... I did read the fredrick ice family lineage and there is a mention of a shreve way back, but can't remember the name ! Sounds strange to me since francine, whose grandfather is an ice, married Noel shreve, but I guess it doesn't matter if it was way back with distant relatives ! Like I said, the shreve and ice story is just talk so I'm not sure if it's actually true ! Good luck with your search ! I hope this helps !!!