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Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Posted: 19 Apr 2013 11:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Guptill
Where do I begin? :)

He was born in 1804 at North Head, Charlotte, GMI, NB.

A few people have taken data belonging to Stillman, born 1797 in Gouldsboro, ME and died in the same place in 1881. This man was a carpenter and was married to Susan Whittaker and earlier to Sally Rolfe. They have added the census record for this Stillman. Consequently, other people have done the same. If they check out the son of Nahum they will find some well researched genealogies that will show the error. The carpenter Stillman and Susan have their photgraphs available online. Ours does not.

Our Canadian Stillman was a fisherman and he also died in 1881 but at sea. No date has been found so far. Please check.

I have tried to contact a few people but there are too many of them and so I hope they discover this message.

Re: Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Posted: 15 Jul 2013 2:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Sarah Sally Rolfe1
F, b. 14 March 1773, d. 18 May 1869
Last Edited 16 Aug 2006
Birth* 14 March 1773 Sarah Sally Rolfe was born on 14 March 1773 at Gouldsboro, Hancock County, Maine.1
Married Name 1 September 1792 As of 1 September 1792,her married name was Guptill.1
Marriage* 1 September 1792 She married Nahum Guptill, son of John M. Guptill and Abigail Goodwin, on 1 September 1792 at Gouldsboro, Hancock County, Maine.1
Death* 18 May 1869 Sarah Sally Rolfe died on 18 May 1869 at age 96.1
Family
Nahum Guptill b. c 1767, d. 1849
Children 1. Marshall Guptill1
2. Harriet Guptill1 b. 10 Jul 1793, d. 1 Oct 1856
3. Stillman Guptill+1 b. c 1797, d. 3 May 1889
4. Freeman S. Guptill+1 b. c 1800, d. 19 Nov 1867

Re: Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Posted: 11 Feb 2015 8:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Guptill, King, Hinds, Ellingwood
Have been banging my own head, trying to figure out Stillman Guptill, m. 14-Jan-1869, to Rebecca Ann (nee Hinds) King. When they married, both were listed as widowed. He was, however, listed aged 50, no 65! She was 30, and had been married around 1850s to Armenus (or similar) King, who died in 1868, leaving her with 4 living children. Stillman was surely a sea captain, and based on others digging, he was owner of a schooner called the "Dove". In 1871, there was a "Dove" schooner that was lost at sea, but we find Stillman living in 1871 census in Lower Horton, Kings Co, NS:
Stillman Guptill 50 b. NB
Rebecca A Guptill 33 NS
Matha A King 12 NS
Daniel King 10 NS
James King 8 NS
Caroline King 5 NS
Otis Guptill 1 NS

This age fits with the marriage record in 1869, rather than that 1851 Census at Grand Manan, NB.

HOWEVER, it is interesting to note, many have shown Stillman as married 4 times. In his 1869 marriage record, he is actually listed as Stephen vs. Stillman (not sure how significant that might be), b. Grand Manan, and listed parents as Wm. and Mary (which would fit with the 1804 Stillmana). He owned the Dove, purchased in 1875 (so a different ship of the same name). It is rumored he died at sea in 1881. We find his WIFE, Rebecca (definitely listed as married in 1881 census, but not showing Stillman enumerated in that same household. Was he then, at sea, and is that why some show he died then? She is a widow by 1891, surely. So, wherever he died, it was between 1881 and 1891. So, the question for me is, IS this that Stillman in the 1851 Census, aged 46, that only gains 4 years of age by 1871? Similarly aged in his 1869 marriage record? Might there have been another William and Mary on GMI that had a son named Stillman, who was not enumerated in 1851? He seemed to always be at sea, but some might say the same for the 1804 Stillman (or ARE they the same man?) I can see if he was edging his age by a few years, say, to 1810, but by the interpretation of a FEW researchers, who make him the same as the one in that 1851 census, who married Mary Ellingwood, well, that seems an awfully big stretch. As for the 1805 Stillman from Maine, I think those are surely two different men. Is the 1819-1821 Stillman b. GMI, married and lived in Kings Co, NS, a third one? "

My friend is descended from Stillman's son, Otis, who married Mary Wheadon. Poor Otis was a mess by 1930, and died after 20 years in an asylum, in 1950. Have seen an article on how he was a "maniac" planning to kill a dozen or so people because God had apparently spoken to him.

Thankfully, have not seen evidence of this in later generations, though a Pearl Guptill, b. @1902, d. 1929 in a similar hospital, but was afflicted with epilepsy, vs. insanity/senility as Otis was.

Would be interested to know if anyone has managed to figure out the STILLMAN conundrum. I have seen mention that there were two born in 1804-1805 timeframe, one of GMI the other of Maine. Has anyone managed to fully separate Stillman (Stephen), s/o William and Mary, b. GMI 1818-1820 or so? Would be interested in any ideas on just how to keep these three apart, rather than have one man marrying 4 women, with evidence that surely one married two. Just unsure which bride Stillman (1820-ish) married before his 1869 marriage to Rebecca? Had he been widowed, three times??? Was he really ballsy about maintaining his youth, once he settled in NS? Since Rebecca was born in about 1830, he was already 10 years older, at least, she must have lied on the marriage record, as well, as she was surely closer to 38 or 39 when they married. She died in 1916, West Brooklyn/Wallbrook, Kings Co, NS, aged 86 as Beckie Ann Guptill. Buried at Lockhartville (where Stillman's "Dove" was registered in 1875), her son, Frank, was informant.

I have a lot more information, but so much is tentative on Stillman, due to so many variables!

Cheers,

Jared

Re: Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Posted: 12 Feb 2015 11:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Guptill
Hi Jared,

You have uncovered some of what Malcolm Stephenson has uncovered in more detail. His wife descends from Otis amd we (NZ/AU branch) were not aware of Rebecca until he shared his findings with me. I am temporarily with a damaged PC, so I can't look up my own records right now. Some of the records are available here on ancestry.com. Yes, we have all the wives and kids documented. More later.

Ash
Melbourne, AU

Re: Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Posted: 12 Feb 2015 11:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
Looking forward to sharing. Yes, between Ancestry and PANB, and some difficult Google searches, I'm hoping to finally sort this all out. I'm really concerned, mostly, with the Stillman, father of Otis, as all records from 1871 onwards would indicate he was born at least 10 years later than the 1804 Stillman. My question is, was there another William and Mary couple that could have had Stillman in 1818 or a bit later? If not, sounds like he not only managed to lie well about his age, marrying Rebecca who was at least 25 years his junior, but he went through wives as much as I have! Or was he a sailor with a woman in every port? Would also be nice to find out when, exactly, he died at sea? Not seen in 1881 census with his Rebecca, but she clearly is listed as MARRIED, vs. Widowed. However, he could have been out to sea when that census was enumerated and never returned. Or, he could have died later. Surely she was widowed by 1891... guess I'm now starting to sound quite redundant!

Jared

Re: Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Posted: 12 Feb 2015 11:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
(My previous reply was from an old account. This one is the paid account) :)

Stillman is reported to be dead in 1881 "at sea" and there are a couple of working theories, e.g. he went with his Son Simon to NZ, but there is no record in NZ of that. The other is that he died in the Caribbean. Once you see all his earlier sons you will see that he worked with some of them on ships. I don't want to rely on memory, so I won't say too much for now.

Ash

Re: Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Posted: 12 Feb 2015 11:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
No worries. Looking forward to more discussions once your PC is recovered. :-)

Re: Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Posted: 9 Mar 2015 3:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Jared, I, too descend from Stillman guptill and Mary Ellingwood. I would be happy to share any info.
Kim

Re: Stillman Guptill, son of William II (Jr) and Mary Ann Smith

Posted: 9 Mar 2015 3:48PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Jared, I, too descend from Stillman Guptill and Mary Ellingwood. I would be happy to share any info.
Kim
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